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tamater S.
June 13, 2016
Organic standards are higher than non-organic standards, but this is just a generalization, because there are huge organic labels, like Horizon, which do the minimal, (number of hours their animals pasture) and there are smaller companies that are fabulous. You could try animal rights orgs in your area, or https://www.organicconsumers.org which I very much respect. Some, but not all health food chains meticulously source their products. In my area, the 6 store chain I trust is: http://www.naturesfare.com
Good luck on your most worthy quest!
Good luck on your most worthy quest!
Lilismom
June 13, 2016
I too am concerned about the milk we consume. My main concern is the treatment of the animals. Is there a source to compare milk brands and their sources?
ChefJune
June 10, 2016
It's been a long time since I've bought any milk other than Ronnybrook's. It's not labeled Organic, so I'd presume it is not certified, but it is local and that is important to me as well.
We've cut back our dairy consumption greatly recently as all dairy products are inflammatory to the system, and having some issues with that has made us extra cautious. So knowing where our milk/cream/cheese comes from has become very important.
We've cut back our dairy consumption greatly recently as all dairy products are inflammatory to the system, and having some issues with that has made us extra cautious. So knowing where our milk/cream/cheese comes from has become very important.
mrslarkin
June 9, 2016
We are a family of four and drink A LOT of milk. We usually buy a gallon of conventional skim a week, and splurge on a half gallon of Ronnybrook Creamline milk. When my daughter is at college, we occasionally visit the local dairy near her school for raw milk, which is insanely good and at $5 a half gallon (plus a $2.50 glass deposit), an occasional treat. Pricey, but totally worth it.
Melissa M.
June 9, 2016
We drink organic but we recently became a one income household so we've been rethinking that decision. Our girls drink about three gallons a week, which comes out to roughly $72 a month on just milk. This article has brought up some pretty fair points, thank you for writing it. Do you happen to know where we can find information on local dairies?
tamater S.
June 9, 2016
Yeah, it can be hard. There have been times I had to lower my standards, too. We do what we can when we can.
Ttrockwood
June 11, 2016
Consider one of the many great non dairy milks as an alternative that is much cheaper than organic milk. Organic unsweetened almond milk or soy milk can be found at great prices
ricardob
June 9, 2016
Regarding antibiotics, I think you're missing one of the main points: overuse of antibiotics in farm animals (but doesn't leave residue in milk) is a major contributor to the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria (which the World Health Organization lists as a dangerously high threat). Although the FDA is slowly eliminating non-therapeutic use, currently use of antibiotics in feed to prevent disease in cows is contributing to antibiotic resistance which is undermining a keystone of modern medicine. While the ingestion of antibiotics in milk is indeed a red herring as noted, encouraging antibiotic-free dairy cows (i.e. antibiotics only used when a cow is sick) is vital for greater reasons.
Sarah J.
June 9, 2016
Thanks for bringing up that point, ricardob. My own understanding is that non-therapeutic antibiotic use is more of a problem in the meat industry rather than the dairy industry, but I agree that it's very scary that the overuse of antibiotics—anywhere, in any industry—is contributing to the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
Anna
June 9, 2016
Most conventional dairies DO NOT pasture their animals, and often do not even let the cows out of the barn. If a farm is milking 1000+ cows (it is argued that a small scale dairy is not viable unless diversified with other income tracks, so bigger is often the answer), you will most likely find the cows inside a barn with robot milkers. A cow will walk into the "Milker" that will scan the chip embedded in the cow, dispense grain, and laser-led vaccum milkers put themselves onto the cow. There are even robot manure sweepers that pass through the barn multiple times a day. The cows never leave the barn. Why would they? This is the milk you are drinking.
Samantha W.
June 8, 2016
I think so many people grapple with this choice these days -- I'm glad you wrote about it. I feel the same way.
tamater S.
June 8, 2016
I care where all my familys food comes from - not just for myself, but for the farm workers, some of whom are children, exposure to drugs and other chemicals. Let us all understand too, that whatever product is fed or injected into the animal eventually ends up in our water supply. It is true that organic costs more, which is the opposite of how things should be - the polluters should bear the cost of dirtying our environment! But we live in a corpocracy, and huge companies like Horizon Dairy and England's Best are constantly doing their best to fight best to erode organic standards when there's a buck - or even a penny at stake. For several years now, I've subscribed to the https://www.organicconsumers.org newsletter, which is doing a super job informing us what's going on and petitioning - even though its more pleasant to imagine that because we're coughing up the extra dough for organic, that things are alright. In the days when congressmen and women are lobbied and often bought by agribusiness.
A lot of people can no way, no how, afford an extra penny for organic. I don't judge them. The ones who say they can't afford the extra, or that "it's not worth it" while they're holding a $6.00 latte - they're the ones I wish would re-think priorities.
Thank you so much, Food 52, for bothering to ask the right questions!
A lot of people can no way, no how, afford an extra penny for organic. I don't judge them. The ones who say they can't afford the extra, or that "it's not worth it" while they're holding a $6.00 latte - they're the ones I wish would re-think priorities.
Thank you so much, Food 52, for bothering to ask the right questions!
FiberVoodoo
June 8, 2016
However, another aspect that wasn't addressed was the fact the virtually all Organic milk is Ultra heat pasturized, rendering all of that milky goodness into basically white water. It extends the shelf life. Not worth it...
Sarah J.
June 8, 2016
I actually wrote about this in another post last week! https://food52.com/blog/17046-your-organic-milk-may-be-3-times-as-old-as-the-conventional-gallon
I don't prefer the taste of conventional to organic—I think they taste different but both taste good to me.
I don't prefer the taste of conventional to organic—I think they taste different but both taste good to me.
CJ
June 8, 2016
Great article! We drink horizon organic mainly because of our toddler and the omega-3 acids.
PHIL
June 8, 2016
Hi Sarah, another benefit of organic milk is it lasts much longer and has a much later sell by date so less waste. Because it is more expensive it is ultra pasteurized. Plus , I think the organic fat free tastes much better then the regular fat free
Sarah J.
June 8, 2016
Thanks for sharing, Phil! I wrote about UHT pasteurization recently! https://food52.com/blog/17046-your-organic-milk-may-be-3-times-as-old-as-the-conventional-gallon
Pamela F.
June 8, 2016
I am a RAW milk drinker. Going on 3 years and I am still here to live to tell..... I do and would drink conventional, knowing where it came from. Ronny Brooks Farm milk.... and I believe its Organic Valley ,who has a Grass Fed, Pasteurized only milk. I do not and will not drink a milk that is Ultra Pasteurized or both Pasteurized and homogenized.
Liza C.
June 8, 2016
Lovely article Sarah! I go for organic most often for the same reason. But if the dairy was from a small farm and I was aware of their practices, feed, etc... that would work too. Cheers!
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