The Piglet2017 / Quarterfinal Round, 2017

Victuals  vs. Dorie's Cookies

Victuals

Ronni Lundy

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Dorie's Cookies

Dorie Greenspan

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Judged by: Dwight Garner

Dwight Garner is a book critic for The New York Times.

The Judgment

The only way to eat cherries, Gogol said, is to stuff about twenty in your mouth at once. That’s how, growing up in West Virginia, I ate my paternal grandmother’s string beans. I could get more of them onto a fork than you might think possible. 

Like all West Virginia cooks I know, she made them in a pressure cooker, along with a strip or two of bacon. The results were tender and porky and ambrosial. I came to regret eating so many at once. My grandfather was a devotee of Horace Fletcher (1849-1919), the health food maniac known as “the great masticator.” Fletcher believed you should chew each bite of food 32 times. So did, on some days, my grandfather. It was a good way, at the dinner table, to make one regret an otherwise perfect bite of twenty string beans.

My grandmother’s string beans came back to me while reading Ronni Lundy’s wise and soulful new cookbook Victuals: An Appalachian Journey, with Recipes. This is a volume that covers the food and traditions of a variety of southern mountain states, not just West Virginia but Kentucky, southern Ohio, northern Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. But I couldn’t help but read it through the lens of my own childhood. (Lundy boils her green beans for an hour, then adds new potatoes and boils some more.) It brought back memories, in the best way. As I watched her take note of so many new chefs and restaurants from the region, it also made me think about how far Appalachian food has come. The blurb on the inside front cover from Roy Blount, Jr.—he’s the wiliest book-blurber America has ever produced, and I mean that as praise—speaks for me. It reads: “Mmmmm.”

Lundy is a cookbook writer whose previous books include Shuck Beans, Stack Cakes, and Honest Fried Chicken. She’s a founder of the Southern Foodways Alliance and a two-time finalist for a James Beard Award. And she traveled for the recipes in this book: “To gather them, I drove over four thousand miles—zigzag on switchbacks, straight along ridgelines, weaving and loping through valleys, dark and light.” She made it back alive, with some toothsome recipes in tow.

 

It’s been said that the only regional dish, if you can call it a dish, that West Virginia has introduced to the world is the pepperoni roll, a tasty one-handed miner’s lunch made by baking a stick of pepperoni inside yeasted bread dough; Lundy includes a solid recipe for those. She has a terrific recipe for pickled bologna with banana peppers, though she spells it “baloney,” which I’m on the fence about. This reminded me that the most satisfying sandwich of my youth, as introduced to me by my father, was a fried bologna sandwich. In his memoir Colored People, Henry Louis Gates, Jr., who was born in Keyser, West Virginia, writes with ardor about fried slices of a defunct brand called Dent Davis’ bologna, which to my regret I never tasted.   

This book has a recipe, from the Palisades Restaurant in Eggleston, Virginia, for a hominy salad with tomato vinaigrette that’s topped with popcorn that’s been sprinkled with paprika and other spices. It’s got a stunt-food feel; I felt like I should have been watching a silent movie while I ate it. It’s also delicious. I also made her “killed lettuce” (tossed with hot bacon grease) and her homely but satisfying smoked oyster stew, made with tinned smoked oysters. Her headnotes are evocative without trying too hard, and her recipes are succinct. I am working up to this book’s more elaborate roasted chicken and dumplings and its shredded beef shank and buttermilk dumplings. I suspect I’ll cook from it for a long time. I might have wanted a few more venison recipes—deer meat is a staple of most of the Appalachian tables I’ve frequented—but Victuals is impressive. It celebrates those cooks who, like my grandparents, “could make a glory out of meager stores.” 

I’m not in a solid position to judge Greenspan’s achievement with Dorie’s Cookies: I don’t bake, unless you count Jiffy cornbread made twice a month from the instructions on the back of the box. But my wife and daughter are committed bakers—my wife once owned a baking company called Pink Frosting—and their reverence for Greenspan is as ardent and as complex as is Greil Marcus’ reverence for Bob Dylan. And so I enlisted their help. 

Greenspan is a cookie maniac, a cookie—let’s just say it—monster. She lives and breathes butter, flour, and sugar. “I’ve been known to get up in the middle of the night because I’ve invented a new cookie in my sleep,” she writes in her introduction. She adds: “Yes, I bake what I dream.” She is the author of eleven previous cookbooks, including Baking with Julia, written with Julia Child, and Baking from My Home to Yours. She is a three-time James Beard Award-winner. Her elfin face peeks from the spines of many of her books; she looks like Terry Gross’ sister from another planet. 

 

The recipes in this book cover enormous ground, from brownies and nut bars to everyday cookies to weekend-project cookies. Two sections, my favorites, deal with what her son, Joshua, calls “cookies for grown-ups.” (Together Greenspan and Joshua briefly ran a Manhattan cookie boutique called Beurre & Sel.) Who wants a grown-up cookie? I do, once in a while. Some of these are sophisticated because they’re small and well-tailored. Others, like so-called cocktail cookies, are savory and meant to be consumed alongside drinks. The recipes here include “Old Bay Pretzel-and-Cheese Cookies,” “Rosemary Parm Cookies” and “Parmesan Galettes,” and they make you want to prepare very fine cocktails indeed.

My wife, Cree, made a few recipes from the Beurre & Sel recipes, including one for her elegant French Vanilla Sables. My daughter Harriet made the Sunny-Side Up Meringues, which resemble, delightfully, sunny-side-up eggs. These vanished in an instant. Countless other pages in Dorie’s Cookies are already turned down or marked with sticky pads. My wife and daughter know her books inside and out, and they are of the opinion that it might be her best yet. 

Because it is so comprehensive, and so bold, this is a reference book for the ages—a book to sit alongside my wife’s three go-to cookie sources: The King Arthur Flour Cookie Companion, Tartine, and the 1997 edition of The Joy of Cooking. Though I venerate what Lundy is up to in Victuals, the winner of this head-to-head cookbook contest is Dorie’s Cookies. As if she were Yoda, Greenspan writes, “The cookie-verse is infinite.” The force is with her.

And the winner is…

Dorie's Cookies

Dorie's Cookies

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59 Comments

Annie S. March 12, 2017
I love The Southern Foodways Alliance. My children and grandchildren live in the South and I wanted to understand that food heritage more.
I have Victuals and I found it to be so warm and inspiring. It is beautifully written. I wanted this to win.
But Dorie hits all the right spots and in this particular pairing she is the winner.
 
Jody H. March 11, 2017
I've had 'Dorie's Cookies' since the day it came out! I love it and agree whole-heartedly with the review. This review has been one of my favorites to read and I want to purchase 'Victuals' because of it. I can't wait to try some of the recipes described.
 
beejay45 March 8, 2017
Not a lover of "sweets" and so favored "Victuals." Also, growing up in San Francisco, the Appalachian region's foods are total unknowns to me, so there's that. But I can see why, for this reviewer and his family, there was no contest.

Sometimes I feel so left out when people rave about their cookie cravings. Sighing with a smile.
 
karen W. March 8, 2017
I am a Dorie fan and felt she in fact was the winner but the reviewer wrote so thoughtfully about the competing book that I wanted a tie.
 
Dana E. March 7, 2017
I really hope that Dorris Greenspan hops on here just to tell us that Terry Gross is, in fact, her cousin.
 
Dana E. March 7, 2017
Ugh. Dorie. Autocorrect got me!
 
Dorie G. March 8, 2017
I hopped on earlier in the thread, but forgot to mention that yes, indeed, Terri Gross and I were separated at birth.
 
Sauertea March 7, 2017
I think have a sweet and savory Piglet makes a lot of sense. There needs to be a way to really evaluate those books that don't necessarily fit the mold of the entire group of books. In 2014, Saving the Season was one of the entries. I think it was very difficult for the reviewers to evaluate a canning book in late fall. Maybe there should be some sort of seasonal competition in order to have the opportunity to evaluate a wider variety of books. Perhaps, all Piglet, all the time should be the theme. I know I look forward to this every year.
 
Gristle &. March 14, 2017
Or give the review to someone on the west coast who will have access to enough fresh options to be able to select from a greater percentage of the book.
 
Gristle &. March 14, 2017
Sorry– meant to say my comment was in response to Sauertea's lament on some books being given short shrift because of limitations the reviewer faced due to the book having innate seasonal requirements, as Saving the Season did back in 2014.
 
peanut B. March 7, 2017
I like this review. It is just a nice read.
 
Inko March 7, 2017
Victuals looks wonderful. But I was rooting for Dorie's Cookies. I have the cookbook and it is rock solid. I have made about 10 of the recipes so far. Every cookie has been delicious. She gives just the right amount of instruction. Things turn out. That said, I agree with the suggestion that there should be a sweet Piglet and a savory Piglet. More Piglets - yeah!
 
Sauertea March 7, 2017
I thought this was very thoughtful review. I don't have Victuals, but I do have Dorie's Cookies and the Parmesan Crisps are worth the price of the book alone. I definitely want to check out Victuals. The Piglet merely reinforces that there are so many fabulous books available and regrettably one cannot have them all. (I would love to try but I would run out of house space)
 
Marc March 7, 2017
Yes, totally! I actually had my hands on Dorie's book at the local Barnes & Noble. I will be picking it up soon.
 
Baleen March 7, 2017
Perhaps next year there could be two piglets? One for savory and one for sweet cookbooks.
That way we get twice as much piglet, and the books will get judged in their proper context.
 
EmilyC March 7, 2017
Ohh, the last two days of the Piglet have left me tense (!!!). Bravo to this reviewer for his even-keeled approach to reviewing two great books.

The last two days have also made me wonder -- would you (the Food52 editors) ever consider a 'last chance kitchen' style rematch, or a way for a book (or two) to earn re-entry into the tournament? Not sure exactly how that'd work, but it'd add an extra layer of drama because there's not enough already (ha!). But no need to fix what's not broken, and I know a lot of extra work would be involved. This year's Piglet has been all kinds of enlightening -- not only do we get to learn about cookbooks that we'd otherwise overlook, we get such a unique glimpse into the *varied* perspectives of reviewers, and the fair (and sometimes unfair) assumptions and biases that we all bring to reading and using any cookbook.
 
AntoniaJames March 7, 2017
I mentioned this early on in Round One - we should have a shadow tournament with Food52 members as judges / testers. Official Piglet and shadow Piglet could run on alternate days. No one ever wants the Piglet to end - and it would be such fun! (Plus, we could be sure that all of the books were tested thoroughly by home cooks like us.)
Just a suggestion . . . .
;o)
 
chardrucks March 7, 2017
We used to have something like this, actually, EmilyC! And I miss it. But it wasn't the most efficient part of the Piglet, which, as you can imagine, is already quite a lot of work and managing of moving parts. We 86-ed it after the first two years. It was our WILDCARD round. You can see the 2010 version here: https://food52.com/the-piglet/2010
 
EmilyC March 8, 2017
Gosh, I completely forgot about the wildcard round! Thanks for refreshing my memory Charlotte! I can't even imagine how much work goes into the Piglet. I love it every year, but especially this year!
 
Teresa @. March 7, 2017
This was such a wonderful treat to wake up to this morning. I love Garner's writing and how thoroughly he explored both books' merits before coming to his decision. I especially admire his decision to enlist his family's help in judging Dorie's Cookies. My favourite Piglet judgements are ones in which the authors deeply consider the books before them and then come to a thoughtful conclusion, whatever their personal criteria. This year, my favourite reviews so far are from Garner and Rachel Khong. Both write beautifully and communicate their decisions lucidly. No wonder all the books they considered will have a home on my shelves.
 
Diana H. March 7, 2017
I own - and love - both these books. This has been the toughest match so far. I'd like both to go on to the next stage. But what I really loved about this review is Garner's writing. The first two paragraphs - that is a way to pull a reader in, with reference to literature that the reviewer loves, with a little information about his own background. It is a joyful read.
I have all of Dorie's books and was glad to get a copy of her cookie book a while back - she is the baker one turns to over and over again. Ronni was a completely new writer to me and this book is a terrific read, about an area I don't know. I'm glad both of them were published - they both have space on my kitchen shelves and I now want to get Ronni's previous book too
 
ChefJune March 7, 2017
It's sad these books were paired against each other, as they are both winners, and could not be more different. Frankly, being a life-long baker, I don't need another cookie book, no matter how wonderful. But Ronni's book definitely has a place in my library.
 
Rick March 7, 2017
Wow, some of you just can't stop taking swipes at yesterday's review. Move on people. I get that some of you really really like Simple, but are you really going to keep complaining about that review the rest of the way?

This review is odd not because of the review (which I agree is well written and fair) but because of the matchup and that he didn't actually cook from Dorie's book. I'm unsurprised that his wife and daughter who love baking liked Cookies but I do wish he'd cooked from it himself. Both books, though, sounds wonderful in entirely different ways. Kudos.
 
alygator March 7, 2017
I agree. Too many complaints when we should be having fun. There will always be a loser in every round and great books always get knocked out.
 
Lizard March 7, 2017
It's unfair to put a DG book up against anyone else's: her books are perfection, and - when I know there's one on the horizon - I pre-order it, sight unseen. The only downside: her books spoil me for any other (baking) books. Why oh why don't all cookbook authors give us weights as well as volume measures?!
 
Elizabeth G. March 7, 2017
Excellent review. (The exact opposite of yesterday's review!)
 
Victoria C. March 7, 2017
I've already said how much I like this review. Dwight Garner mentioned some books that are favorites in his house: 1997 Joy of Cooking, Tartine, and the King Arthur Flour Cookie Companion. I would love to hear some FOOD52ers comment on these books. For cookies, I love Alice Medrich's books, especially Pure Dessert, Chewy Gooey Crispy Crunchy Melt-in-Your-Mouth Cookies, and, a past Piget contender, Flavor Flours. I can't wait to get into Dorie's Cookies, which is sitting on my kitchen table.
 
jamcook March 7, 2017
The King Arthur Cookie Companion is not Flashy.. no photographs, but lots and lots of cookies , both familiar and unfamiliar. I especially like that it has recipes for many popular cookies 3 ways: soft and chewy, crisp, and crunchy. You can adjust a few ingredients and have your snickerdoodles or oatmeal cookies just the way you like them.. highly recommended , by me.
 
Victoria C. March 7, 2017
Jamcook, Thanks for this. The KA book sounds really good, especially the part about the texture of the cookies; I like crisp or crunchy. There seems to be a revised edition. Is yours hard- or soft-backed?
 
Victoria C. March 14, 2017
Jamcook, I got the KA Cookie Companion so thanks for this recommendation. I actually Tweeted Dwight Garner to see if the book he mentioned was the 2004 edition or the 2013, and he Tweeted back the 2004. I was able to get it on Amazon.
 
jy2nd March 7, 2017
What a wonderful review!
 
Zoe R. March 7, 2017
I get it, I'm OK with it. But.... I don't know, I guess I'm just not a huge fan of dessert based books and I kinda feel they have a weirdly unfair advantage because... Sugar. So... Hmmm. Like I said I'm OK with it but will be kinda bummed if a cookie book wins the whole thing.
 
Kristen R. March 7, 2017
What a beautiful, thoughtful review celebrating both books. Thank you Mr. Garner and the Piglet Crew for this great read!
 
Dana V. March 7, 2017
Now *this* is a review! Thank you Dwight Garner & Co. Even though I was pulling ever so slightly for Victuals, I can easily bow to your decision based on the grace and thoroughness of this judgement. And yes, bring in reinforcements if the subject isn't in your wheelhouse!
 
LittleKi March 7, 2017
Here I've gone from "nahhhhh, my waistline does not need a cookie book" to"you mean there are several savory recipes?????" I think I'm going to have to break down and buy it. Lovely review.
 
keg72 March 7, 2017
After commenting (critically) on yesterday's review (which was my first ever Piglet comment), I feel the need to compliment this review. Well-written, well-thought out, clear, etc. A great read all-around! And, I appreciated greatly the fact that he enlisted the troops when it came to baking -- rather than, as a non-baker, simply throwing up his hands and making a half-hearted effort. Kudos to Dwight Garner and to both books!
 
mrs.butter March 7, 2017
Agreed!
 
Chocolate B. March 7, 2017
My cookbook bookcase is already groaning under the weight of all the dog-eared, butter and flour-smeared works of Dorie Greenspan, so I was reluctant to add another to the pile. After reading this powerful review, however, I've decided to add another bookcase just for Dorie. She stands alone.
 
SueS March 7, 2017
Mungo, my son lives in Denmark and I bring hominy when I visit, along with a few other items he cannot access. Invite someone to visit!
 
Mary C. March 7, 2017
Victuals arrived in my mailbox yesterday and I stayed up wayyyyyyy past my bedtime reading it and drooling over recipes. Groggy and hungry, I thought, 'this is my new favorite cookbook', When I woke up this morning, I grabbed it, instead of my usual phone, and read some more. And then read more with my morning cup of coffee. I have ties to the Appalachian mountains of NC, so it may tint my lens a little rose-colored, but it really is a beautiful book; one that takes us on a journey riding shotgun next to Ronni. It's tough to beat cookies and most things sweet, especially Dorie Greenspan's cookies. Thank you, Dwight for this review.
 
Helen P. March 7, 2017
What a wonderful review.
 
malena_watrous March 7, 2017
You had me at "Terri Gross's sister from another planet."
 
Sheila March 7, 2017
I know! Best line ever!
 
Ronni L. March 7, 2017
This is a "contest" that can validate and celebrate a book, even when it's losing. It's an honor to read what Dwight Garner has to say about Victuals, and to cede the slot going forward to the remarkable Dorie Greenspan. Thank you, Piglet!
 
Kenzi W. March 7, 2017
Ronni, I have loved seeing you in the comments on here. Congrats on such a beautiful book! I can't wait to kill my lettuce.
 
healthierkitchen March 7, 2017
My goodness, absolutely true! Both books sound mouth watering and no one has to feel bad. Two great books! That said, editors, maybe next year invite Dwight Garner's wife to co-judge!
 
chardrucks March 7, 2017
Ronni, you know how I feel about Victuals. I have said it so many times. Thank you for writing it. Cookbooks like yours are the reason the Piglet was founded. Thank you for being such an excellent sport the whole way through, and for writing it. And, congratulations on this past weekend's IACP award and all of the rest of the deserved recognition and praise you and the cookbook have received. Victuals has a permanent place on my shelf, a temporary (when it's being cooked from) place on my kitchen counter, and will go down as one my personal favorites of all time.
 
James F. March 7, 2017
Lovely! I admire he has his sympathies from his background, but he also judges the worth of each book past that. Really interesting read.
 
Gretchen P. March 7, 2017
This review did not help at all.
 
mungo March 7, 2017
I already have Cookies, but the description of that hominy salad makes me want Victuals as well (then I remember that I live in the UK now and there's no way I can get hominy....) Thank you to Mr Garner for an excellent review of both books! Maybe I will go home and bake tonight!
 
kittyfood March 7, 2017
Over the past few months I've had both books checked out from the library. I encountered Dorie's Cookies during the pre-holiday period, and used it well. Before I reluctantly returned it I had ordered my own copy. More recently I turned to Victuals, and was interested to find that much of the food and lore of which she writes is very similar to that of the Ozarks, where I grew up. I admire the book very much, but have not purchased it. I agree with Mr. Garner's decision.
 
alygator March 7, 2017
Oh, and just like that I bought two books!
 
averything March 7, 2017
That's it - I have been trying to convince myself for weeks that I don't need a "cookies only" book on my overcrowded shelves. I was waffling after round one - and now I surrender .....clearly I DO need this book!
And now that my predicted winner is out ( sad to see Simple go ), I have Dorie to cheer for .
 
Victoria C. March 7, 2017
Unless you live in a place like Atlanta where the azaleas pop and the dogwoods bloom and March heralds a spring so breathtaking you want to just stop the car and take it all in, it can be a long month. It certainly is in the Berkshires. So every year I look forward to The Piglet. After what was – to me – yesterday’s debacle (based on the writing, not the decision, which is the reviewers to make), I was looking even more forward than usual to reading what the incomparable Dwight Garner had to say. I was not disappointed. As always, his writing is fluid and honest and wonderful. “Greenspan is a cookie maniac, a cookie – let’s just say it – monster.” Dwight Garner wrote an excellent review of two books both of which he liked. If I didn’t already have Dorie’s Cookies, I would get it. Now I have to take a harder look at Victuals.
 
Pam H. March 7, 2017
Agreed! It's a downpour in northeast Ohio right now, and The Piglet gives me something to obsess about every year! I, too, am a proud owner of Dorie's Cookies, but have added four other books to my collection this week. This is after I promised myself I wouldn't be seduced by the reviews this year.
 
Linda L. March 7, 2017
Great review! Sounded liked Dwight made a serious effort to move beyond his personal food & cooking preferences to looking at contributions of each book to the cookbook universe.
 
Dorie G. March 7, 2017
It's hard to write when you're gaping in amazement. Having a book chosen for The Piglet is always a surprise and its own reward - I think of the selection as the year's best of the best - and to be matched against two authors, Fushia Dunlop and Ronni Lundy, whose work I've followed and admired for years, is daunting. I am surprised, delighted, thrilled, honored and a bunch of other happy adjectives to have been included in this year's tournament and to be chosen in this round. Thank you, Dwight Garner.
 
petalpusher March 7, 2017
A tough decision, very diplomatic. Both books won in my heart, but Mr. Garner went with his families love, while sharing his history of Appalachian appreciation. Very well written. This review of such different cookbooks was tempered by love. Thank you.
 
CAT March 7, 2017
The writing in this review is so much more nuanced and thoughtful than in yesterday's review. Both books sound marvelous!