How George Carlin Changed Recipe Writing
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gr8chefmb
July 2, 2012
George Carlin was SERIOUSLY FUNNY and he is most definitely missed! His riffs on just about everything and anything induced roll-on-the-floor/side-splitting laughter (I think it was mostly due to his facial expressions myself - they were sometimes funnier than his words) while at the same were profoundly thought-provoking. Sure, he was a bit profane; so were a lot of comedians. I have smile and I am laughing just remembering some of his riffs and bits, such as cleaning out the refrigerator: "Well, you smell it! I don't wanna smell it." Another personal fave is his take on words and phrases such as beer nuts, cotton balls, pussyfoot and garbanzos. :-)
dymnyno
July 2, 2012
Before the wine business Freddy and I were in the radio broadcasting business. George Carlin's Seven Dirty Words legally set the bar for words that could not be used on radio.
BoulderGalinTokyo
July 1, 2012
I agree with dymnyno it is a waste of energy to turn the oven on so soon--my gas convention oven will heat in about a minute, so pointless to turn it on while I boil pasta for a casserole, etc. KNOW THY OVEN.
But I agree with Greenstuff, i thought food52 was about experienced cooks writing recipes and sharing new ideas so that beginners and experienced alike can learn.
But I agree with Greenstuff, i thought food52 was about experienced cooks writing recipes and sharing new ideas so that beginners and experienced alike can learn.
Greenstuff
June 29, 2012
I just remembered that in years past, I had electric ovens with "preheat," "bake," and "broil" settings. Under "preheat," both the top and bottom heating elements lit up. The goal was to heat the oven as quickly as possible. If you forgot to switch from "preheat" to "bake," your cakes would be pretty brown on top.
I haven't seen those separate settings for a long time. Do they still exist?
I haven't seen those separate settings for a long time. Do they still exist?
susan G.
June 29, 2012
Most recipes that call for preheating give that direction as the first step in the process. Then, occasionally, they call for letting the meat sit in a marinade for an hour, or the bread dough to rise in the fridge overnight etc. Maybe that's the real meaning of preheat: walk into the kitchen, turn the oven on to the designated temperature, then start the prep no matter how long it takes!
ChrisVeros
June 29, 2012
Umm... pre heating is heating it pre-adding food... I don't see what the big deal is. Chill out. Or in this case... pre-chill out.
ChrisVeros
June 29, 2012
So if you started with, "heat the oven in advance of preparing the food so that it's hot when you're ready to put it in," preheat was a huge timesaver.
If you want to hear a real annoyance... my oven has a light that says "preheat". But it doesn't say whether it's preheat-ed or preheat-ing. Now that would be a helpful distinction.
If you want to hear a real annoyance... my oven has a light that says "preheat". But it doesn't say whether it's preheat-ed or preheat-ing. Now that would be a helpful distinction.
Sophia H.
June 29, 2012
Actually I think the preheated oven began with the introduction of gas ranges, it was a given the coal, or wood would have been previously heated, since the ranges were often used for heat as well as hot water for the entire house and were more of a hearth than a stove. Preheated was a peculiar issue of the gas-stove, also there was an initial fear of the gas stoves, people wondered if the gas was healthy and it would get into the food as it was cooking, Yeah, coal not, but gas? One recipe, Cooks Country, pointed this out, was designed to show the fuel and time efficiency of using gas, as well as it's convince and ease. The cold oven pound cake. You did not have to preheat and the was a revolution.
There is the other aspect of baking, you preheat an oven often when baking cakes and breads to a certain temp and length or time before you place your item in. The idea of preheating means to heat the oven to a temp and often for a specific amount of time to ensure proper results. Three ways of saying the same thing.
Preheat oven to 450 for 30 min
Heat oven to 450 for 30 min
Heat oven to 450 for 30 prior to .... and the sentence goes on.
Sorry but preheat is not that big of a deal, for space but in meaning.
Here is another clue. Mrs Beeton, is the one who revolutionized the writing of recipes, prior to her books you had to read the entire recipe to know what ingredients you needed.
Here is an example,
Take a penny weight of flour, add three eggs, yolks beaten with equal weight, scraped sugar, till thick and creamy, whites beaten till stiff, add.... the complete recipe would be a run on sentence of ingredients, amount, additions and techniques. Again preheat oven or at what temp warm, hot very hot, at the beginning of the recipe save the cook from making bricks instead of feather biscuits.
There is the other aspect of baking, you preheat an oven often when baking cakes and breads to a certain temp and length or time before you place your item in. The idea of preheating means to heat the oven to a temp and often for a specific amount of time to ensure proper results. Three ways of saying the same thing.
Preheat oven to 450 for 30 min
Heat oven to 450 for 30 min
Heat oven to 450 for 30 prior to .... and the sentence goes on.
Sorry but preheat is not that big of a deal, for space but in meaning.
Here is another clue. Mrs Beeton, is the one who revolutionized the writing of recipes, prior to her books you had to read the entire recipe to know what ingredients you needed.
Here is an example,
Take a penny weight of flour, add three eggs, yolks beaten with equal weight, scraped sugar, till thick and creamy, whites beaten till stiff, add.... the complete recipe would be a run on sentence of ingredients, amount, additions and techniques. Again preheat oven or at what temp warm, hot very hot, at the beginning of the recipe save the cook from making bricks instead of feather biscuits.
toriavey
June 29, 2012
I'm seriously considering changing my "preheat" recipes to "heat" as a nod to George Carlin.
dymnyno
June 29, 2012
Wow...I can see this going on to include a lot of nit picking! Remember that George Carlin is a comedian and this subject is not brain surgery.
AntoniaJames
June 29, 2012
Okay, guilty as charged. And you're right. His "brand" was ranting. With a fair dose of irony included. ;o)
AntoniaJames
June 29, 2012
Actually, I think he's sort of wrong. There are three states: off, on but increasing temperature to get to the desired temperature, and at the desired temperature. "Preheat" is a somewhat imperfect shorthand for "turn your oven on in enough time to make sure it's at 400 degrees when you're ready to put the pie in." The use of the prefix indicates that you are to do it beforehand. So I for one am not at all bothered by it. But then, I have a "life is too short" approach to just about everything. Carlin obviously did not. And, incidentally, I just came across a recipe for Cuban bread that has you put the dough into a cold oven and turn it on. Haven't tried it yet, but plan to do so this week. ;o)
Greenstuff
June 29, 2012
"What cook pops a pie into an unpreheated oven?" I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a new cook do just that.
Kristen M.
June 29, 2012
Fair point! But they probably wouldn't make that mistake if they were simply told to "Heat the oven" early enough in the recipe, where "Preheat" would normally be. The "pre-" doesn't really need to be there for a new cook to follow along.
dymnyno
June 29, 2012
In the 70's when I was just getting going with cooking California was in crisis mode regarding resources, including electricity , gas, and water. so I "grew up" being admonished among a lot of things to begin cooking everything in a cold oven. The notion of turning on the oven in advance was that it was wasting energy. I have since disregarded that rule. That was also the era of the Smother's Brothers and their friend, George Carlin.
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