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Hilltop
December 30, 2016
This is not only the best, flakiest, most tender pie crust I've ever made, but also the easiest to work with and handle by far! And I even add the liquid into the flour mixture while it's still in the processor. I've had so many pie crust issues in the past. I'm celebrating!!
Keith M.
February 27, 2016
So I make this recipe to a tee, bu when I'm baking just the shell for a cream pie I have way to much shrinking. What is the trick to taking care of that
M. S.
November 16, 2015
Any advice for us poor schmucks who don't have a food processor?
I_Fortuna
November 16, 2015
I hardly ever use a food processor. For pasty, I use a pastry cutter or you can use two knives. The idea is to cut the butter or lard into the flour.
http://www.ablekitchen.com/s-s-pastry-blender-with-5-blade.html?
I also use it for making egg salad. It is useful and easier to use and clean than a food processor. No need for fancy machines. LOL : )
http://www.ablekitchen.com/s-s-pastry-blender-with-5-blade.html?
I also use it for making egg salad. It is useful and easier to use and clean than a food processor. No need for fancy machines. LOL : )
RSherr
November 16, 2015
Yes, Kenji's new recipe leaves this one in the dust. Don't bother with it. Go to Serious Eats instead and read the best way by far to make pie crusts.
cookscorner
June 4, 2014
I use this recipe for sweet pies, but for savoury ones nothing matches the hot water/lard recipe. Be sure to use the one with the egg and lemon juice or vinegar, though.
Michael P.
May 1, 2014
I use plastic wrap stretched across the counter which I have wiped with a damp cloth to roll out on. Throw a little a flour on the plastic and it rolls out slick as can be. Works for pizza dough or pie dough.
Leslie
April 24, 2014
Can I substitute lard for the butter and shortening? butter prices have skyrocketed and lard for my area is still very cheap at the butcher shop.
Alice G.
April 24, 2014
You certainly can! Just make sure it is leaf lard, which should be snowy white and have littleto no ...porky smell, for lack of a better term. Lard makes the best pie crust, in my opinion.
Ellen
March 3, 2014
My name is Ellen and I'm a pie crust phobic... However, I made this recipe for a wild mushroom tart this weekend and it was perfect. The very definition of flaky. Left out the sugar, of course for this savory pie. I had less luck grating the frozen butter with the box grater. Some got stuck in there and I had to retrieve it, probably losing a little bit. Next time I'll use the food processor or get my sous chef (AKA husband) to chop butter into tiny pieces. I'm not concerned about using a little shortening in my baking. My mother did and she lived into her 90s!
Aly W.
January 20, 2014
My version of this recipe is the 3-2-1 ratio recipe and I use only butter and freeze the butter until it's rock hard, then grate it in the food processor.. Then I scrape the grated butter into a medium bowl and hand mix in the flour and salt quickly until the butter flakes are well coated with the flour. (I skip the sugar. ) I measure the water into a cup filled with ice cubes and then gently stir in first the vodka and a couple tablespoons of the chilled water, judging whether to addi in a tablespoon more at a time if the flour/butter mixture turns out to need more water to bring the dough together. As the dough starts to absorb the water and begin to change, I use my hands to assess and feel how if the dough needs more water and to form the dough into a slightly tacky ball and chill for at least 15 minutes while working on the filling. This year I was inspired and used my grandma's old pinking shears and cut a 24" x 24" pastry cloth out of some organic unbleached muslin to roll the dough out on. I also changed to a French rolling pin. What a huge difference it made to use the well floured pastry cloth and the French rolling pin! I found I had much better control over directing the dough into a circle as I could control the pressure easily while rolling. This made the rolling part and transferring the dough circle to the pie pan so easy! My pies turned out perfect each time. So I made a pastry cloth for my mom and ordered her a French rolling pin and put together a pie dough making kit to gift her for Chrsitmas. I just returned from a visit where I walked her through the steps of making pie dough! It was the her best pie ever! She is 78 and pilsbury will no longer show up in her kitchen! You are never too old to learn to make a good pie crust from scratch. and that also applies to me as well. :-)
abbyarnold
November 21, 2013
The LA Times recipe for pumpkin pie a couple of years ago used bourbon for the vodka and bacon fat instead of the shortening.
Pat B.
November 21, 2013
Can someone please confirm my conversion of the flour to grams. I get 163.
I_Fortuna
November 21, 2013
I get 156.25 or 156 and 1/4 grams for plain flour and 150g for whole wheat. Close enough.*<:@)
I googled "convert cups to grams" for an internet chart.
I googled "convert cups to grams" for an internet chart.
Baketress
November 22, 2013
Hey! I use kitchen pro conversion app and it gave me 156 g as well. 160 should do.
ellen
November 22, 2013
INSTANT COOKING UNITS CONVERTER: Select your ingredient. Find your unit. Type your value next to it. Touch "Convert Me" and get all conversions...
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/cooking/
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/cooking/
zenith5
November 14, 2013
Has anyone tried this technique with gluten free flour? Too many of my friends hopped on the GF fad bandwagon. ONE has a legitimate health concern.
Jenee
January 2, 2014
Yes, it does work! I have a recipe very similar to this and since my mom always used vodka in her pie crust, I went ahead and added vodka to mine. Probably not necessary since there's no gluten, but hey, I gave it a go. Came out perfectly!
I_Fortuna
January 20, 2014
zenith5 - There is gluten in all wheat products. 1 in 133 Americans has celiac disease. 83% are undiagnosed or misdiagosed. So your friends' concerns about gluten are very valid. There is a screening process to determine if this disease is present. It is a very real and potentially dangerous autoimmune digestive disease. For some, gluten present in people with celiac disease can cause malabsorbtion of certain vitamins and minerals and cause anemia, weight loss, and affect bone density as well as other health issues.
Lacto-fermented veggies in the diet may help with digestive concerns for most people as I understand it. Fermented dough such as sourdough and no knead type of doughs break down the proteins in wheat but still may not be suitable for those with celiac disease. Still, these processes are still beneficial, in my humble opinion, for many people.
Lacto-fermented veggies in the diet may help with digestive concerns for most people as I understand it. Fermented dough such as sourdough and no knead type of doughs break down the proteins in wheat but still may not be suitable for those with celiac disease. Still, these processes are still beneficial, in my humble opinion, for many people.
Sarah
November 14, 2013
FYI, for the shortening haters, it's easy to find a non-hydrogenated trans fat free shortening. I usually use all butter, but I do have some Spectrum brand shortening on hand, which is made from palm oil.
I_Fortuna
January 20, 2014
Yes, as it turns out, coconut oil, palm oil, butter and other saturated fats have recently been determined to be more healthy than hydrogenated fats. Most veggie oil oxidizes when heated at certain temperatures. Coconut oil withstands higher heat without oxidation. Some research has shown that oxidation is the cause of cholesterol concerns. Since we have been using coconut oil and butter, our health and diet seems to have improved and instead of gaining weight we are actually losing it. Hubby's cholesterol that was previously high is now in the normal range so there may be something to this recent science.
Douglas
November 13, 2013
I've been doing this for years -and- I add some white vinegar that also helps prevent gluten development ... but careful handling is the real key to flakiness.
Baketress
November 13, 2013
The best part? We don't even need vodka, the mixing technique alone is genius for the best easiest and flakiest pie pastry in the whole universe! Yes, I am a fan.
samanthaalison
November 13, 2013
This is my go-to recipe, though I sub the shortening for more butter.
jdifeo
November 13, 2013
Shortening has so little partially hydrogenated oils that the can so 0g trans fat
James K.
November 13, 2013
Seriously?
Crisco ingredients: SOYBEAN OIL, FULLY HYDROGENATED PALM OIL, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED PALM AND SOYBEAN OILS, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, TBHQ AND CITRIC ACID (ANTIOXIDANTS).
Soybean oil is terrible, it's an unstable PUFA that oxidizes easily when heated; trans fats are worse, and yes, even a small amount (enough to slip under the 0 g. labeling loophole) can still cause damage to the endothelium. Trans fats literally fry your arteries. I would avoid at all costs.
Crisco ingredients: SOYBEAN OIL, FULLY HYDROGENATED PALM OIL, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED PALM AND SOYBEAN OILS, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, TBHQ AND CITRIC ACID (ANTIOXIDANTS).
Soybean oil is terrible, it's an unstable PUFA that oxidizes easily when heated; trans fats are worse, and yes, even a small amount (enough to slip under the 0 g. labeling loophole) can still cause damage to the endothelium. Trans fats literally fry your arteries. I would avoid at all costs.
Bob
November 13, 2013
Yeah, go ask those 90 year olds how much trans fats they ate, my grandma put Crisco in ALL of her dough & lived to be 89. If you are so health conscious perhaps you should skip the pie.
I_Fortuna
November 27, 2013
Is it possible that Crisco was made differently in the past? I get it though. My grandma lived into her 90's and they had a Black Angus ranch and she used Crisco to fry chicken. Boy was it good. So she ate a lot of red meat and fat, did not excercise strenously and hardly at all in her last 30 years but she did not smoke and had a whiskey sour each evening. Is this the formula for all of us? I don't know. I now use coconut oil because it tolerates a higher tmeperatures without oxidizing into cholesterol. This means that I can cook my food longer at lower temperatures without it burning or smoking. As a result we have lost weight and and hubby's cholesterol has returned to normal levels. I feel that genetics play such a big role in our health too.
Holly
February 10, 2014
Yes, it used to be made from cottonseed oil before they switched to soy and palm.
Tonie
November 13, 2013
I have been a subscriber of Cooks Illustrated and all their .coms for years and have been doing this recipe and suggesting it to friends since it was first published... I am not a hard liquor drinker but I am on my 3rd bottle of Vodka for just pie dough making...
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