Change the Way You Bake
The Totally Hands-Off Pie Dough Method You Haven’t Tried Yet
No, it's not with a food processor.
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Scott
October 7, 2023
My mom taught me this for her no touch dough.
1 1/3 cup butter flavored Crisco
3 cups sifted flour
1 tsp salt
In large Tupperware bowl(w/lid), use 2 dinner knives to cut ingredients together.
In separate mixer/shaker, add 1 egg, 1 T ice water, 1 t apple cider vinegar and shake till blended
Make well in dry ingredients, pour in liquid, seal bowl with lid. Flip back and forth till it creates on big lump.
Use knife to cut into thirds.
Flour surface and rolling pin liberally with flour and dough all( pat with palms of hand slightly). Roll it out and put on pieplate. Pierce with fork on bottom, bake at 400 F for 15 min. till golden. Make 3 shells or 2 shells and top. They can be frozen for future use.
1 1/3 cup butter flavored Crisco
3 cups sifted flour
1 tsp salt
In large Tupperware bowl(w/lid), use 2 dinner knives to cut ingredients together.
In separate mixer/shaker, add 1 egg, 1 T ice water, 1 t apple cider vinegar and shake till blended
Make well in dry ingredients, pour in liquid, seal bowl with lid. Flip back and forth till it creates on big lump.
Use knife to cut into thirds.
Flour surface and rolling pin liberally with flour and dough all( pat with palms of hand slightly). Roll it out and put on pieplate. Pierce with fork on bottom, bake at 400 F for 15 min. till golden. Make 3 shells or 2 shells and top. They can be frozen for future use.
Caroljay86
February 28, 2023
My recipe is very close. The only difference lies in my technique: When the butter is cut into the dry ingredients, I stop the mixer and flatten the butter chunks, with my fingers. I do this as quickly as possible. Then I continue the process (adding ice water and mixing to just form the dough). I've done this method for at least 30 years, ever since getting my Kitchen Aid Stand mixer, way back in 1987.
Smaug
February 28, 2023
That's really an important difference- rubbing the butter in will coat some of the flour of the flour with butter, shortening the pastry for a tenderer crust. Just cutting in the butter won't do that.
Melanie P.
April 10, 2020
How long and what temp do you cook the crust at for a blind bake-or a double crust pie? I am just a beginner...but these look amazing and can't wait to try it out
Emma L.
April 12, 2020
Hi! If it's a double-crust pie, the baking depends on what's inside, so you can just put this pie dough recipe toward most double-crust pie recipes and follow their oven instructions from there (like this one https://food52.com/recipes/6732-truly-scrumptious-apple-pie). And here's a handy article from Erin McDowell about par-baking: https://food52.com/blog/10858-everything-you-need-to-know-about-par-baking. Hope that helps and happy baking!
Melanie P.
April 12, 2020
Thank you so much for getting back to me so soon-I'll check the article-have a great weekend!
Cherie
September 14, 2019
I have made several hundreds of pies over the years (caterer) and have always used the same method with brilliant flaky results. I have no professional training but I've always found pie crust to be simple (if messy) and you get a feel for what works pretty quickly.
I break up a pound of lard (preferred) or other fat with knives or a pastry blender and work it into 5.5 cups unbleached flour and a tablespoon of salt. My lard is at room temperature! I use my hands to incorporate the fat into the flour until approximately pea size. In a one cup measure I mix a splash of white vinegar, one egg and the remainder of the cup filled with cold water. Once the fat is incorporated into the flour I make a well and dump in the egg mixture and quickly combine with my hands until most of the flour is incorporated. Then form into 6 equal size balls and refrigerate or freeze until needed. Try not to handle any more than necessary. Rolling out can be done immediately and I find room temperature is quick and easy with no loss of flakiness. Maybe lard is more forgiving?
However I own a big red Kitchen Aid mixer that I rarely use. It's also peach season right now so I'm going to learn something new this weekend!
I break up a pound of lard (preferred) or other fat with knives or a pastry blender and work it into 5.5 cups unbleached flour and a tablespoon of salt. My lard is at room temperature! I use my hands to incorporate the fat into the flour until approximately pea size. In a one cup measure I mix a splash of white vinegar, one egg and the remainder of the cup filled with cold water. Once the fat is incorporated into the flour I make a well and dump in the egg mixture and quickly combine with my hands until most of the flour is incorporated. Then form into 6 equal size balls and refrigerate or freeze until needed. Try not to handle any more than necessary. Rolling out can be done immediately and I find room temperature is quick and easy with no loss of flakiness. Maybe lard is more forgiving?
However I own a big red Kitchen Aid mixer that I rarely use. It's also peach season right now so I'm going to learn something new this weekend!
Adrienne B.
September 14, 2019
Ok, so I had a kitchen disaster the other day when I was making biscuits in the food processor and forgot to put in the butter and just put the buttermilk and THEN the butter. The butter stayed in large pieces, but I cut the biscuits anyway, and of course, they melted on a cookie sheet and smoked out my entire house, but... since I refused to throw away food, I served them with maple syrup and they were delicious. Now, I know why. I can totally do this for the pear tart I'm making this weekend, and thanks so much for the helpful pictures.
Dora M.
May 31, 2019
I been making pie crust for over 50 years which i learn to make in home economics class in Jr high school. I use the pastry cutter or two knives which you can control the size of the Crisco/ lard/ or butter results. People are always impress how good , flaky, melt in your mouth crust. Cold shortening, ice cold water DO NOT OVER WORK your dough, we are not making bread. I have a taught people to make rust for years by hand, pastry cutter, two knives, food processor, I find people will use the system that they like and get good flaky results . As long as they conquer the fear of pie crust making.🤗
Christopher
March 13, 2019
Great write up, Emma! And thank you for the extra pics, they're very helpful. <3
Zozo
January 20, 2019
Damnnn, this is making me want a stand mixer! I paid $14 for ONE SHEET of puff pastry the other day, so at this rate I could make back the cost of a stand mixer with 42 pies haha
Rory A.
January 20, 2019
I live the article a d I will be playing with this technique, but I'll have to dissagree with with thefood processer con, part of the article. In order to no see whats going on without having any flour fly into your face, all you jave to do it remove the pusher and keep and eye out on the consistency. If not that, remove the feed tube pusher and cover the feeder with a towel.
Thats just in my opinion.
Thats just in my opinion.
Pam H.
January 19, 2019
I am more of a Team Cake person, but I do venture out into the pie world from time to time. I have made pie crusts using Erin McDowell's and Stella Parks's techniques, and they're both great. I have also used a food processor and stand mixer with good results. My findings are that to whomever you serve the pie, they're always delighted and grateful that someone took the time to make a homemade pie!
That being said, this method is pretty straight forward, so anyone with pie crust phobia should just try it!
That being said, this method is pretty straight forward, so anyone with pie crust phobia should just try it!
Emma L.
January 20, 2019
Love this, Pam: "My findings are that to whomever you serve the pie, they're always delighted and grateful that someone took the time to make a homemade pie!"
CeeJay
January 19, 2019
Ever since I watched Jim Dodge show Julia Child his technique for making all-butter pastry (by simply dumping the flour with roughly cut butter barely coated with flour onto the board and then using the rolling pin to turn the butter into large long ribbons) I've never looked back. It's a beautiful sight to see, and even better to taste. Wouldn't it be great if Food52 revived this method and compared it with the other contenders?
See: http://www.chefjimdodge.com/recipes-1/2015/3/29/harvest-apple-pie
See: http://www.chefjimdodge.com/recipes-1/2015/3/29/harvest-apple-pie
jude1
June 3, 2019
That is how Thomas Keller makes a crust, except he uses the palm of his hand to smear it all instead of a rolling pin.
Eric B.
January 19, 2019
Try this same technique to make biscuit dough. The ratios are different, along with the addition of a leavening agent (e.g., baking powder), but the principles are nearly the same.
Eric B.
January 20, 2019
Yes ma’am. Picked it up from my chef kid. On weekends for brunch service they’ll do 100-150 lbs in ~10 lb batches for brunch service.
Here’s the deal - if you want flaky you need the fat cut in as chunks so it will sheet into layers as the dough is flattened or sheeted. If you want cake/crumb texture you cut in to a finer texture to coat flour particles with fat. The range is quite wide. Vary the flour composition with AP & cake flours for tenderness. Same principles apply for pie dough.
Here’s the deal - if you want flaky you need the fat cut in as chunks so it will sheet into layers as the dough is flattened or sheeted. If you want cake/crumb texture you cut in to a finer texture to coat flour particles with fat. The range is quite wide. Vary the flour composition with AP & cake flours for tenderness. Same principles apply for pie dough.
Mary D.
January 18, 2019
Can I make a pit crust with no mixer
Emma L.
January 20, 2019
Hi Mary, you can definitely make pie dough by hand! Here are a couple recipes using that method:
https://food52.com/recipes/72570-stella-parks-no-stress-super-flaky-pie-crust
https://food52.com/recipes/24928-all-buttah-pie-dough
https://food52.com/recipes/72570-stella-parks-no-stress-super-flaky-pie-crust
https://food52.com/recipes/24928-all-buttah-pie-dough
M
January 17, 2019
It's not so much cook-minded books, but the rise of blogs and WHO was considered a knowledgeable source. People started talking about pie dough in terms of avoiding a certain problem rather than understanding the basic methodology. Hence, ice water, vodka, blahblahblah. It made a simple process sound like a minefield, rather than a cook-friendly recipe.
Start looking at chef's recipes, and everything changes. In fact, though Keller suggests cold butter, Jacquy Pfeiffer's dough recipes (in the essential The Art of French Pastry*) use soft butter for even incorporation. The concern is not so much the temperature of the fat, but minimizing gluten development.
*The book is a great resource for understanding the methods and techniques, and removed a lot of confusion I'd gotten from popular recipes online.
Start looking at chef's recipes, and everything changes. In fact, though Keller suggests cold butter, Jacquy Pfeiffer's dough recipes (in the essential The Art of French Pastry*) use soft butter for even incorporation. The concern is not so much the temperature of the fat, but minimizing gluten development.
*The book is a great resource for understanding the methods and techniques, and removed a lot of confusion I'd gotten from popular recipes online.
Gray F.
January 17, 2019
The explanation that it is the flash vaporization of water in the fat that makes pie crust flaky is not very satisfying.
Certainly, if you're making a butter crust this is a consideration - it is, after all, what makes puff pastry do its thing. Emphasizing that the butter chunks must be large to accomplish this in spades makes me wonder if pie crust and puff pastry are being conflated here. If what you want is puff pastry for pie crust, then this makes good sense.
However, both Crisco and lard (and for that matter, bear grease, which I have used on occasion) don't contain any water to turn into steam and make perfectly wonderful pie crusts and, in the case of lard and bear grease, have been doing so for centuries.
Personally, I prefer a lard crust over a butter crust for the majority of pies, though sometimes a butter crust is just what you want. A mixed lard and butter crust can be quite nice for when you want the wonderful taste of butter (think apple pie) without the over-airiness of an all butter crust.
To my taste, pie crust is (and should be) denser than puff pastry, though absolutely tender and flaky and, unlike puff pastry, should not crush when cut.
Gray Haertig
Certainly, if you're making a butter crust this is a consideration - it is, after all, what makes puff pastry do its thing. Emphasizing that the butter chunks must be large to accomplish this in spades makes me wonder if pie crust and puff pastry are being conflated here. If what you want is puff pastry for pie crust, then this makes good sense.
However, both Crisco and lard (and for that matter, bear grease, which I have used on occasion) don't contain any water to turn into steam and make perfectly wonderful pie crusts and, in the case of lard and bear grease, have been doing so for centuries.
Personally, I prefer a lard crust over a butter crust for the majority of pies, though sometimes a butter crust is just what you want. A mixed lard and butter crust can be quite nice for when you want the wonderful taste of butter (think apple pie) without the over-airiness of an all butter crust.
To my taste, pie crust is (and should be) denser than puff pastry, though absolutely tender and flaky and, unlike puff pastry, should not crush when cut.
Gray Haertig
Food52801211
July 5, 2019
Hi
8 have a lot of leaf lard. Can i substitute equal amounts of lard for butter in pie crust rec ipes? Any other tips using lard Im a newbie. Thanks in advance.
8 have a lot of leaf lard. Can i substitute equal amounts of lard for butter in pie crust rec ipes? Any other tips using lard Im a newbie. Thanks in advance.
boulangere
January 17, 2019
The mixer method is the one I learned in culinary school nearly 20 years ago. I've been using it, teaching it, and writing about it (https://thesolitarycook.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/perfect-flaky-pastry/, https://thesolitarycook.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/rustic-mushroom-tart-with-braised-vegetables/, https://thesolitarycook.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/bastille-day-quiche/, https://thesolitarycook.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/tomato-goat-cheese-tart/, https://thesolitarycook.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/meatless-monday-rustic-savory-turnovers/) ever since. There isn't a whole lot new under the sun.
Smaug
January 17, 2019
Shortening (i.e. whatever fat you use- butter, lard, Crisco etc.)in a pie crust should serve two functions- to 'shorten" (i.e. make crumbly) the dough and to form pockets of air/moisture that will expand and separate layers. The first requires the flour to be coated individually by the fat- preventing long gluten strands from forming and toughening the crust. The second merely requires larger pieces to be present in the dough; you also need the dough to form strong enough membranes to support expansion in the oven, so you can't go too crazy with the shortening function. For this reason I always rub in at least part of the shortening; the all-hands method works very well, but it can be a bit tough if you have arthritis or other hand/wrist problems.
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