Cast Iron
Buttermilk English Muffins
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Linda Y.
January 24, 2024
Before I try this recipe, I would like for it to be shown in decimal (grams) form - especially the yeast! Most baking is exacting and you can only duplicate results by scaling the ingredients. I’m sure Ms. Tosi as well as the editors know this. Not all cups of flour weigh the same- so please quote both cups, tsp etc and grams (scale).
Smaug
January 24, 2024
There are any number of conversion tables available if you don't want to use volume or standard weights, but little to be gained- most of the ingredients are as easily measured by volume; people seem to have trouble with flour, though there's really no trick to measuring it accurately, and at any rate the recipe includes "more as needed"- add until you reach the desired consistency, as bread makers have always done. Yeast in particular is a highly variable ingredient, so the same weight
isn't necessarily going to have the same effect; once again, bread makers have always judged rise by observing the dough, not the volume of yeast. Exactly duplicating results is generally not possible; your ingredients are different, your equipment is different, the temperature and humidity of your kitchen are different,
and cooking on a griddle doesn't lend itself to exactitude (an electric griddle is much the best for muffins- I use 310 deg. for 10 min. per side, though I wouldn't swear to the accuracy of my griddle)- it's best to move them around a bit while they cook; cast iton especially is prone to hot spots. Sixty grams dough is a bit light for standard (3 1/2 inch) muffins; I use 75 to 80. And, as always, you really need rings to make proper muffins- they're not expensive.
The author clearly wrote the recipe the way she makes it, which is entirely proper.
isn't necessarily going to have the same effect; once again, bread makers have always judged rise by observing the dough, not the volume of yeast. Exactly duplicating results is generally not possible; your ingredients are different, your equipment is different, the temperature and humidity of your kitchen are different,
and cooking on a griddle doesn't lend itself to exactitude (an electric griddle is much the best for muffins- I use 310 deg. for 10 min. per side, though I wouldn't swear to the accuracy of my griddle)- it's best to move them around a bit while they cook; cast iton especially is prone to hot spots. Sixty grams dough is a bit light for standard (3 1/2 inch) muffins; I use 75 to 80. And, as always, you really need rings to make proper muffins- they're not expensive.
The author clearly wrote the recipe the way she makes it, which is entirely proper.
Jul
January 24, 2024
Totally agree. Sorry I commented mistakenly to Smaug. When I bake I always weigh out flour. Sometimes for kicks, I measure by volume and then by grams and it's crazy how far off the volume is compared to the grams. Much more exact to weigh out by grams.
Pat44113
November 12, 2022
First time making English Muffins. I chose this recipe because it used lots of buttermilk and I had a lot of buttermilk to use up. I don't have a stand mixer so I used a hand-mixer with two dough hook extensions. It was a bit of a workout because the tough was quite stiff. I was unclear as to whether to finish the last eight minutes kneading by hand or by using the mixer. I chose the latter.
I got a good rise on the dough and was able to shape my log pretty well. I had trouble slicing off even amounts of dough, especially at the beginning, so some of my muffins turned out to be larger or smaller than the average, Next time, I'll figure out how thick each slice should be based on the length of the log divided by 24.
It seemed to take a while to brown them so I ended up cranking up the heat a little more. Oddly, despite using a heavy cast iron pan, some browned faster than others.
I convection baked at 250°F for 10 minutes. They came out still a bit doughy in the center so I doubled the time to 20 minutes, I often find I have to add time with my new oven so I tested with a toothpick.
The muffins came out great but it took most of the afternoon to get done. Four batches at 20 minutes baking and ten minutes toasting adds up. Since there are only the two of us, I might try halving the recipe next time. Would that work?
I got a good rise on the dough and was able to shape my log pretty well. I had trouble slicing off even amounts of dough, especially at the beginning, so some of my muffins turned out to be larger or smaller than the average, Next time, I'll figure out how thick each slice should be based on the length of the log divided by 24.
It seemed to take a while to brown them so I ended up cranking up the heat a little more. Oddly, despite using a heavy cast iron pan, some browned faster than others.
I convection baked at 250°F for 10 minutes. They came out still a bit doughy in the center so I doubled the time to 20 minutes, I often find I have to add time with my new oven so I tested with a toothpick.
The muffins came out great but it took most of the afternoon to get done. Four batches at 20 minutes baking and ten minutes toasting adds up. Since there are only the two of us, I might try halving the recipe next time. Would that work?
Smaug
January 24, 2024
This review may be of a different recipe- this dough is around 90% hydration (buttermilk doesn't count as 100% liquid) and should be very damp, almost a batter- no way it could be formed into a log and sliced, or hand kneaded. A skillet is, as you've noticed, a pretty inefficient way to griddle muffins; an electric griddle is far the best, but a 2 burner cast iron griddle can work; cast iron does have hot spots, though, so they should be moved around some. I make muffins in batches of 7, 6 on the electric griddle and one on cast iron (for the practice, mostly); the cast iron is a lot trickier and almost inevitably comes out darker.
Benjamin
October 9, 2022
I LOVE THESE AND HOW CONSISTANT THE MUFFINS TASTE AND ARE MADE. THE FLAVOR IS AMAZING, AS IS THE TEXTURE. PACKED WITH NOOKS AND CRANNIES. I MAKE THEM ALL DIFFERENT SIZES AND THEY ARE JUST DEVOURED BY MY GRANDCHILDREN
teresemilligan
November 2, 2021
how long in the oven? You say to transfer to a pan and bake for 10 minutes but you say this twice.
Smaug
November 2, 2021
The doubling seems to be a misprint, but the timing isn't awfully critical; in summer I usually just leave them out on the cooling racks for a few hours; it's just to dry them out a little.
chilesincarne
March 6, 2021
A total shame that in 2021 you still publish recipes as when the USA was an island in the planet - 2001 or 1921....
In baking and in a global world, weight is really useful if you really want to share a recipe
In baking and in a global world, weight is really useful if you really want to share a recipe
Smaug
March 6, 2021
And knowing how to bake by volume measurements is very important if you want to be able to use recipes.
Cassie S.
January 11, 2021
Wondering what the actual measurement for yeast is supposed to be? The amount in two packets is less than the listed measurement in the ingredients. Can you clarify if it’s 2 1/3 tbsp OR two packets and fix the description?
Mary E.
January 13, 2023
2 1/3 Tbs was a lot of yeast! I ended up with a paste when i added the water. Also I tried the raw dough right before I began the baking process and oddly enough ever since then my tongue feels like its been burned.
chowter
January 10, 2021
These were fun to make! And so much tastier than grocery store English muffins!! Thank you for the detailed instructions, I found the remark on the slow griddle baking time especially helpful. Everyone's cast iron pieces and stoves have their idiosyncrasies- I wound up flipping them twice, for a total of about 8 minutes per side. They were well toasted after that. I baked them in the oven for 15 minutes at 250. I reduced the salt to 1 tablespoon and found that to be sufficient for my tastes. Thank you for the recipe, I will be making these again!!
Amy
April 26, 2020
I'm in the process (step 4) and my dough hasn't become a ball at all. It's crawled up the dough hook a bit, but is sticking to the edges at the bottom. I'm tempted to add more flour, but wonder if that will make them tough. Weight measurements for the flour would be helpful in this recipe.
Smaug
April 26, 2020
It won't clean the bowl or make a ball the way a bread dough would; It should be somewhere in the middle ground between a dough and a batter- not quite pourable but very wet and sticky- it's kind of weird stuff to work with. These proportions are pretty average; you could use 150g./c. for flour if you're more comfortable with that.
Valerie G.
April 14, 2020
Instructions for hand mixing would be great, and/or with a food processor, for those of us who don't have stand mixers.
Smaug
April 14, 2020
No reason you can't mix it by hand with a spoon or silicone scraper. You might want to melt the butter. It will be a little damp for hand kneading; you could try working it with the spoon, or treat it as no-knead by giving it a longer-4+ hours initial rise time. Or look up the Stella Parks recipe ("Old Fashioned English Muffins" best I remember, on seriouseats.com; I don't agree with everything on that recipe, but I can vouch for it as simple and producing good results.
J
April 24, 2020
I had just finished reading another F52 recipe & had this same thought. Not EVERYone owns a stand mixer.
Ellenw
April 7, 2020
Making these for the second time. They are delicious. A question for bakers out there however: 2 packets of yeast is 1.5 Tbsp. Should recipe say 1 1/3 tbsp? I have been guesstimating a little less than two packets.
Smaug
April 7, 2020
I wouldn't really worry about it, yeast measurements are always something of a guess anyway. Dried yeast always is partially dead- when it is manufactured the live yeast is coated with dead yeast, and more will slowly die off, depending on time, storage conditions etc. The actual action of the yeast is highly dependent on a plethora of environmental conditions, with temperature leading the way- you really just need to recognize when your dough or batter is ready, with any bread or yeasted dough; recipes can't be more than a general guideline.
Shine
April 2, 2020
Since I’m home following physical distancing during this COVID-19 pandemic, this was a great time to try to the recipe. I followed it exactly, except for mixing by hand because my kitchenaid mixer bowl has a become a collecting bowl and I couldn’t be bothered emptying and cleaning it. Lots of time to babysit the low heat/cast iron pan method. I was going to refrigerate some of the dough for next day but I was on a roll and as I say, I had lots of time and patience. These turned out wonderfully, if a bit misshapen. Maybe next time I’ll pat the dough out gently and use a biscuit cutter for uniformity. Nevertheless, they were tasty and awesome with butter and jam, made my hubby very happy! Oh, and I used reconstituted buttermilk powder and the same measurement of instant yeast
Shine
April 2, 2020
Since I’m home following physical distancing during this COVID-19 pandemic, this was a great time to try to the recipe. I followed it exactly, except for mixing by hand because my kitchenaid mixer bowl has a become a collecting bowl and I couldn’t be bothered emptying and cleaning it. Lots of time to babysit the low heat/cast iron pan method. I was going to refrigerate some of the dough for next day but I was on a roll and as I say, I had lots of time and patience. These turned out wonderfully, if a bit misshapen. Maybe next time I’ll pat the dough out gently and use a biscuit cutter for uniformity. Nevertheless, they were tasty and awesome with butter and jam, made my hubby very happy!
Smaug
April 26, 2019
For muffin fans out there, I recently came across a recipe by Stella Parks on Serious Eats that is definitely worth trying- I had some quibbles with the percentage of milk in the liquid, and she does them freeform (they really come out much better in muffin rings),, but much the best recipe I've come across on the internet.
ArielJoy
June 5, 2018
Thank you so much for explaining the eccentricities of the recipe so thoroughly. Especially your description of the "dough reaching up the dough hook" (#4). I would have been sure I had done something wrong and added waaay to much flour in order to "fix" it.
Question: You suggest using a cast iron skillet or a griddle. I have neither. Is there another type of pan you would suggest?
Thank you.
Question: You suggest using a cast iron skillet or a griddle. I have neither. Is there another type of pan you would suggest?
Thank you.
Smaug
November 2, 2021
I would suggest using the paddle rather than the dough hook (if you have that type of mixer, which is far from necessary). If it doesn't gather together and pull off the bowl after about 2 min. on high, add flour- it takes very little, add about 1-2 tsp. at a time). Haven't tested that with this recipe, but with some others with similar ratios. Cooking muffins on the stove is tricky; it can probably be done in any heavy skillet, but it would take some practice to get it right. A skillet is an awfully slow way to do it- electric griddle is much the easiest, but a two burner cast iron griddle will serve well with practice.
Änneken
August 9, 2016
These are heavenly! However, if you don't happen to have three large cast-iron pans at home it will be incredibly time-intensive. After they were done proofing it took me 2.5 hours to finish them - most of which included babysitting them while they were cooking in the pan. As previous commentators have pointed out: Regulating heat of a cast-iron does not happen fast. I lost patience after I had cooked the first batch and increased the heat after I had flipped them for the first time.
Also, I kneaded the dough by hand for as long as the instructions said to do so in the food processor. Worked out fine!
Also, I kneaded the dough by hand for as long as the instructions said to do so in the food processor. Worked out fine!
Helen S.
June 12, 2016
If you go to http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/english-muffins-recipe you will find almost the exact recipe. She just changed a few things, usually increasing them to make it hers. Sure wish people would credit the original source. The instructions are easy and if you search English Muffins there is a wide variety on this site.
Smaug
January 11, 2021
OK, looked it up- I don't see that much resemblance between the recipes- they are, after all, making essentially the same thing. The proportions and cooking instructions are both different; the big difference is that King Arthur uses regular milk, but the flour/liquid ratio is different and KA uses instant yeast. Both cook them without rings, which I consider a mistake.
btglenn
June 10, 2016
The overly complex instructions makes it seem like this is hard to do. And, 1 1/2 cups of butter is far more than the traditional English Muffin uses, according to Elizabeth David, in her English Bread and Yeast Cookery, a compendium of recipes and their history, along with comments on flour and other ingredients used in many diverse versions of breads and muffins. While Tosi is exceedingly detailed in her instructions, they are all based on use of an electric mixer -- no separate instructions for those of us who depend on our hands for bread bakery. Bernard Clayton's books on bread baking also include recipes for English muffins, using far less butter. He gives instructions for both manual and electric mixer versions.
This may be a delicious version of the muffin, but far more complicated than it needs to be.
This may be a delicious version of the muffin, but far more complicated than it needs to be.
Smaug
August 7, 2015
I may try this, though not crazy about the idea of buttermilk. I make muffins from a batter- type recipe- I've learned over time to get them to come out on a cast iron griddle, but an electric griddle is much easier to control and heats more evenly, and they're frequently available very cheap- I paid $20 for a pretty good one.
Devon G.
August 9, 2015
I would agree with this! The cast iron pan holds heat for a long time and makes it difficult to go from the super-low heat required of the first step to the higher heat required for toasting.
Smaug
April 26, 2019
These cooking instructions are kind of weird- I cook them at 350 on the elec. griddle (and try for that on cast iron) without changing the temperature, but I give them some rise time on the griddle (and in their rings- really works much better in rings) before turning on the heat. They will then be fully cooked (about 8 min. per side), but I do like to give them 20 min. or so in a 250 oven to dry them out some- I haven't tried this recipe, but with a batter they will come out pretty wet in the middle.
Smaug
January 10, 2021
I've since gone to a sourdough recipe, which seems to cook better at 300 on the electric griddle for 10min./side (though I can't swear to the accuracy of the temperature) or a lowish flame under cast iron- the flame may take some adjusting- hard to duplicate that exactly- but the electric griddle never does. I dry them (they're already cooked)by simply leaving them out in warm weather; in winter I use a 200 deg. oven for 20 min. I use 75g. batter/ring; they will generally rise out of the ring and end up about 1 1/4" high; in that case- or if you're making them freeform (not recommended) turning them early can result in a flatter muffin.
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