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Ttrockwood
May 20, 2017
I live in NYC and occasionally shop the union square farmers market- and yes i get the value/fresh/quality/fair wage/etc but if i took $20 to the farmers market and $20 to Fairway to buy the same items i leave Fairway with enough produce to last me 2-3 days and i leave the farmer market with enough to last me 1/2 days.
I'm gkad the markets take EBT but I'm certainly not using EBT or WIC and i'm not wealthy- so for those of us in between who have a comfortable food budget but still a budget nonetheless the NYC farmers markets are not a regular stop for more than a few bunches of greens (which are a good value there) or some corn once it's in season.
Last summer at the height of tomato season a pound of local tomatoes conventionally grown was still about $4!
Suburban markets are a totally different story and often are a great deal and absolutely worth it. But union square market is certainly not somewhere i can shop often.
I'm gkad the markets take EBT but I'm certainly not using EBT or WIC and i'm not wealthy- so for those of us in between who have a comfortable food budget but still a budget nonetheless the NYC farmers markets are not a regular stop for more than a few bunches of greens (which are a good value there) or some corn once it's in season.
Last summer at the height of tomato season a pound of local tomatoes conventionally grown was still about $4!
Suburban markets are a totally different story and often are a great deal and absolutely worth it. But union square market is certainly not somewhere i can shop often.
Sandy
May 19, 2017
WE are a small own of 5000 and have 2 Farmers Markets. One is with a farm to table store the other is a state started farmers market of at least 20 years. I attend both and love buying fresh , picked that day produce. I believe we start the first Saturday of June with rhubarb, asparagus- spring stuff. I do love the farmers market.
Jennifer
May 19, 2017
"No one is going to correct you if you say that the farmers market is an expensive place to shop." Wrong--I'll correct you. This is true if your idea of a farmers market is Union Square (there, I would largely agree with the analysis in the article). I live in Syracuse and shop at our Regional Market and other local farmers markets. The Regional Market has existed since the 1930s (I think it was a WPA project). It is cheap, cheap, cheap. Yes, we do allow wholesalers, but we also have all sorts of local growers, some organic, some not, but ALL of it a great deal. Cheaper than stores, better quality, get to know the growers, buy enough and all of a sudden there's an extra bunch of asparagus dropped in your bag. It is the most integrated space in Syracuse, from immigrants (many refugees) to lower-income city residents (of all races and ethnicities) to university professors to hipsters & foodies (many of these categories overlap in interesting ways). Overall I agree with the analysis in this article, but I really resent any article that leads with the incorrect and damaging meme that farmers markets are (necessarily, universally, almost always) pricey places to shop. It keeps away folks who would otherwise learn to love those funny-colored carrots with greens attached. (And having said that--I'll eat anything green, but carrot greens are among the least tasty out there.)
fsamis
May 18, 2017
Whoa! Okay. First of all I'm a very small grower and I take my produce to market weekly. IF you care about local foods and local agriculture then YES! Farmers markets are worth it! Here in Hawaii there are totally farm stands that are just peddling produce shipped from the mainland (usually seconds hence why those stands are cheaper). BUT, local small farmers like to have a presence at the markets, it grows connection and community, puts a face behind the food. Generally, the prices at market (for local organic) are the same as the coop across from my house. And of course farm stands are more expensive than Safeway, Trader Joe's and other large chains, their overhead is less and they can buy in larger quantities. Market also allows us to offer specialty or unconventional items that grocers aren't often willing to stock and that market patrons might be more curious and adventurous to try. Example this week I am offering Green Coriander (Cilantro) bunches. Reading other comments I am sad to see that vendors don't take quality seriously :( I would never put a product in our stand that I wouldn't eat myself (maybe my day job in quality assurance is showing). And if you're unsure ask for samples. In my home state in peach and melon growers often have little samples cut in front of the varieties or you can just ask and they are usually really happy to slice something up.
Additionally increasing Food Safety regulations and wholesaler demands, make it difficult and costly for small producers to sell to larger corporations-- which does not at all mean that farmers market produce is less safe, that article in the NYT was infuriating. I think farmers market is also a personal preference, some people like that adventure of looking through all the stalls and exploring. I on the other hand hate shopping and usually am IN and OUT. Anyways support local growers!!!
Additionally increasing Food Safety regulations and wholesaler demands, make it difficult and costly for small producers to sell to larger corporations-- which does not at all mean that farmers market produce is less safe, that article in the NYT was infuriating. I think farmers market is also a personal preference, some people like that adventure of looking through all the stalls and exploring. I on the other hand hate shopping and usually am IN and OUT. Anyways support local growers!!!
BRN
July 4, 2016
cosmicook, your comments are sad. Shame on the managers of the markets where people are buying from wholesalers that they don't know that. While we allow farmers to bring some produce from other farmers, they are buying from local farmers, and they must put on their signs that the produce isn't theirs. I have found that sometimes melons other than watermelons don't have much flavor. I think it might have to do with how much water they get. The corn that we have here in New England (I'm in Massachusetts) is excellent. There are many varieties, so one variety from one farmer might be different than from another. All produce varies, so what you buy from the grocery store might be tasteless as well. I do find that my farmers' market produce lasts longer than grocery store produce. But, I'm buying directly from the farm that grows it. I remember one time MANY years ago buying a yellow corn that was named 199. I asked my husband how he liked it and he said, "Moooo." I never bought that kind again. Since then many new varieties of sweet corn have been developed, so most of it is sweet. Up here silver queen is always white. In the future, if you get a tasteless melon no matter where from, make it into a fruit salad and add some raspberry or strawberry syrup. You can find the syrup different places. It's good to keep on hand. Really jazzes up a fruit salad.
cosmiccook
July 4, 2016
While visiting friends in Mobile, Al. we went to their Saturday Farmers Market. I bought melons from different vendors that were not only pricey but HORRIBLY lacking in taste. My friend and I sought out and purchased SILVER QUEEN corn from 2 different vendors. She said hers was the quality of cattle feed. While our corn was very sweet--it did NOT have the appearance of color or kernels of Silver Queen/King we've bought for the past 20 years. Ironically I also had hoped to get Chilton County (Ala. county) peaches at the market but none were to be found. There is a Chilton County vendor that comes to New Orleans 3 times a week so I bought from them. They are pricey (buck a peach) and the peaches can be hit or miss. This last purchase they were AWESOME.. I've found most farmers market produce does NOT last as long as supermarket produce and flavor wise can be a gamble as well. Also we have a Restaurant Depot in NOLA and I found (by asking) many produce vendors buy their products there and pass off as "farmer" products. Sad. You have to know your farmers.
BRN
July 4, 2016
Me again. I think that there are many produce items that are raised conventionally, but do not have any pesticides on them. We have one certified organic farmer at the market that I manage, and one that is chemical free, but not certified (he's too small to make it worth his while.) At one conventional stand the spinach is $3 a pound, at the certified stand, it's $10-12. But, interestingly enough, the organic stand (large) does better than any other stand at our market. The stuff is beautiful, but I'm not sure that some shoppers are doing their due diligence, and walking around to see who has what before they shop. Especially those who don't care if something is organic.
Sandy
July 4, 2016
WE are a very small town less than 6000 people in a rural area 200 miles from a town of 50,000 people or more. We have 2 Farmers Markets one on Friday which is a state sponsored event and cost 50 cents to participate. The money for an ad in the local paper. About 10-12 vendors in the peak season. The vendors are not professional growers but mostly the produce they offer are extras from their gardens . The bell goes off at 10 am and then the buying begins. Most vendors are finished in 30 minutes. They have wonderful things; peas, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash, potatoes, herbs, and so much more. The other market is Saturday from 9-12 and run like a regular market. I think our Extention agent started this one. They also have lots of produce but also people selling handmade items , jellies, fry bread, ect. We will also have fruit trucks come in and sell peaches, pears, ect. I love the farmers market I do not mine paying a higher price as I know it was grown within 20 miles of where I live, it is fresh, and I can see the joy on the producers face doing what he or she loves to do when you compliment their wares.
BRN
May 30, 2016
Another comment about shopping at markets. When my grandson was 5 I brought him to my house and gave him a peach that I had purchased at the farmers' market 2 days previously. When I brought his brother to my house a few hours later (he was 8) I offered him a peach. He didn't want one, and the 5 year old said, "Alex, you should really have one. You can smell the inside from the outside." That, my friends, is the essence of farmers' markets/farm stands and buying local. Alas, we will have almost no peaches in New England this summer due to the extreme cold that we had for several days in February. It killed most of the buds.
turnit
May 30, 2016
I miss the Union Sq Market. Once had the pleasure of being drafted by Tim Stark of Eckerton Farm to throw together flats of peppers because one of his guys didn't show up. A friend from Brooklyn I had a blast watching big name chefs schmoozing with him, begging for whatever he recommended. I would do it anytime for free, it wasn't work.. I didn't ask for anything from him because he was a friend but he gave me a few bucks for well deserved and needed beers.
In Florida, now, I frequent farmer's markets and stands in Sarasota and Bradenton. They are always fun. NYC is always the best, though.
Very good article, thank you.
In Florida, now, I frequent farmer's markets and stands in Sarasota and Bradenton. They are always fun. NYC is always the best, though.
Very good article, thank you.
BRN
May 28, 2016
I manage a farmers' market in Massachusetts, not Boston. We have organic, chemical free, but not certified organic, and conventional. The organic farm is consistently the most pricey. The other day their bunch of asparagus was half the size of the conventionally grown asparagus (no chemicals, not organic soil) and it cost 50 cents more. If buying organic is that important to someone, fine, but otherwise any customer should shop around and see who has what before they shop. If someone complains about the prices at the market, I always tell them that they are confusing price and value. What is purchased (produce in particular) will be fresh for a long time. As far as the other items, dairy, meat, poultry, etc. they are pricier than the grocery stores although the grass-fed hamburger at one of my local stores was more than at the market. I think we should all cook from scratch, and make our money go farther. I also say that small production farming is more expensive for the farmer, AND I also say that the money they spend at our market stays locally which helps our economy.
Kate
May 23, 2016
Ask for seconds, the misshapen, slightly bruised that farmers either don't want to go home with or left behind. Ask them to prepare a box for you to pick up the next week. For farmers, selling at half the price is better than tossing it in the compost pile. Win win for everyone, including the planet.
scruz
May 22, 2016
i am not typically a consumer of organic food but do like some of the specialty items to be found at my certified organic farmer's market in central coast california. being close to where it is grown, it is shocking how expensive much of it can be so the article's discussion of costs was interesting and explained a lot. i have narrowed down what i will buy at my f.m. to specialty items (interesting mushrooms and they are $3 cheaper per lb. than local organic market, used for mushroom lasagna a couple of times a year), some occasional herbs for special dishes and romaine lettuce at this time of year. the romaine can be huge and is maybe a third of the cost at the local organic market. i don't go too often and really limit my purchases to a couple of growers and since it is so busy it is hard to strike up any kind of relationship with the sellers. i do like and support what they are doing but my dollars need to go further and i fortunately have a great local small supermarket to go to. i am very jealous, however, at the beautiful and cheap produce to be found in china town s.f. at the markets found there. i love wandering through and seeing incredibly fresh bok choi and mushrooms.
ads
May 22, 2016
Farmer's markets in Chicago are unfortunately unreasonably priced and are weekend events for the well to do. Union Square market in NYC has always consistently offered premium produce for - reasonable (not cheap but reasonable) and the markets i've been to in SoCal - Santa Monica and Hollywood are bargains offering great produce - I do not expect current prices to be the same 15 years ago - so they have been good deals all those years. and the markets in Paris - the best quality for the best prices the freshest, most vibrant produce one can get
klrcon
May 21, 2016
I've been shopping farmer's markets for 20+ years in a lot of different states and I think it really, really varies quite a bit based on location. So while I'm sure that this article is well-reported and accurate, I'm not sure it applies everywhere. Here in the Boston area I find that shopping at farmer's markets in less well-to-do neighborhoods is a pretty good deal - often cheaper or on par with the supermarket but SO much fresher and better quality for produce. In recent years a lot of new markets have sprung up in the better off neighborhoods but I stay away from those - they're wildly over-priced. And I only buy protein at the farmer's market when I'm flush or deliberately treating myself - the product is great quality but I'd go bankrupt if I did that too often.
The markets here are only open six months a year but my food budget does go down in those six months (I eat a lot of produce) so I think they're a pretty good deal overall, if you know how to shop the market. On the other hand, everything is relative. I lived in Arkansas for a while and I used to get the most glorious summer tomatoes for 50 cents a pound at the local farmer's market there - I have to say, I miss that! But that market had nothing in common with the kind of yuppie markets you find in the cities - it was held in a parking garage and farmer's would just drive in and sell off the back of a truck. And almost every week I would be the only white face there and some nice older lady would inevitably ask me if I was lost.
In general, my experience is you have to shop around for the best markets to patronize and also shop around within the market for the best quality/ prices at different vendors (because yes, some vendors aren't selling stuff that's really all that great) but if you do that, you can usually come away with some bargains and certainly better value for what you're paying than you would get at the supermarket. That's been true everywhere I've lived except the suburbs of New York where the stuff was universally over-priced and the quality no different than what you get at the supermarket. (I think the good stuff gets shipped into the city where it commands a premium, as the article mentioned.)
The markets here are only open six months a year but my food budget does go down in those six months (I eat a lot of produce) so I think they're a pretty good deal overall, if you know how to shop the market. On the other hand, everything is relative. I lived in Arkansas for a while and I used to get the most glorious summer tomatoes for 50 cents a pound at the local farmer's market there - I have to say, I miss that! But that market had nothing in common with the kind of yuppie markets you find in the cities - it was held in a parking garage and farmer's would just drive in and sell off the back of a truck. And almost every week I would be the only white face there and some nice older lady would inevitably ask me if I was lost.
In general, my experience is you have to shop around for the best markets to patronize and also shop around within the market for the best quality/ prices at different vendors (because yes, some vendors aren't selling stuff that's really all that great) but if you do that, you can usually come away with some bargains and certainly better value for what you're paying than you would get at the supermarket. That's been true everywhere I've lived except the suburbs of New York where the stuff was universally over-priced and the quality no different than what you get at the supermarket. (I think the good stuff gets shipped into the city where it commands a premium, as the article mentioned.)
Smaug
May 21, 2016
4I'd like to think that produce pricing in supermarkets is better in other parts of the country, but I doubt it. Here in Northern California, the dominant supermarket is Safeway- now owned by Albertson's- and their produce pricing is out of control- common items such as onions and potatoes are apt to cost 2 or 3 times what they do in produce stands, and even "produce supermarkets" such as Sprouts. And the quality is atrocious- everything LOOKS good, but you will NEVER get a good, or even decent, tomato or strawberry, stone fruits are picked so green they have no chance of ever really ripening,herbs and such are treated as gourmet items and prices are over the moon ( $2 for a bunch of cilantro?). On top of this, things are more and more sold prepackaged- you can't buy less than 2 lbs. of cherries at a time, etc. etc.
Cindy F.
May 21, 2016
I live in a small town in Colorado, and the farmers market opened this weekend. There were no produce stands except one. When you look at the produce, they still had stickers on them like in the grocery stores. I guess they all come from the same place. Sad.
anotherfoodieblogger
May 21, 2016
I live in a small city in the middle of Oregon, and our farmer's market is only open from June 1 through mid-October, so shopping at a farmer's market year round for produce is not an option. I'm not sure if you took location into account. Great article, nonetheless!
Margit V.
May 21, 2016
Thank you for this thoughtful post. In trying to eat as well as possible on a tight budget, any available bargains at farmers' markets are greatly appreciated. But, there's no way that I could manage without my small garden! Even a garden the size of a twin bed can produce veggies, herbs, and flowers to significantly increase my well-being---,so, if possible, I highly recommend such a project. I LOVE farmers' markets! Just cannot afford to rely on that as my primary source.
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