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Italians Avoided Pizza for Centuries—Tourism Changed Everything
Pizza’s dominance on the international gastronomic stage hinges not on a glorious past rooted in antiquity so much as an anthropological phenomenon that has come to be known as the “pizza effect.”
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grsimari
January 15, 2022
In 1893 the Genovese Agustín Banchero had a pizzeria in Buenos Aires. Pizza was very common when I was born 1948, and I still remember eating pizza when I was very young (4 or 5 years old). My parents told me about pizzerias on the famous calle Corrientes in Buenos Aires where they ate pizza when they started dating. By the early sixties, I can remember eating pizza almost everywhere. I'm not sure that the Americans had noticed pizza by then.
Maggie
January 14, 2022
Maybe it's the title of this article that is offputting, or perhaps it's the reliance on American view of pizza, but it really does a disservice to the history of pizza as it relates to Naples. A far better look at the subject is in a recent article in the March 21 issue of Smithsonian Magazine, "Inside Naples’ World-Famous Pizza Culture". https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/naples-pizza-original-fast-food-180976992/
chezjim
January 18, 2022
I can't really agree about the Smithsonian article which is meandering and largely references modern pizza, not so much the history. It also uncritically passes on the Margherita myth, which has been thoroughly demolished here:
https://www.academia.edu/12208701/Folklore_Fakelore_History_The_Origins_of_the_Pizza_Margherita
Modernist Pizza includes a fairly good review of the history in its first volume. But it's a little pricey for most individuals. Overall, the first clear accounts I know of pizza - typically a disk of dough with some fish on it - come at the start of the nineteenth century (though the debtor story is documented just before that). Things like tomatoes only came along much later. The pizza places seem to have been low-priced dives, agreeable enough for those who couldn't afford better. But in considering attitudes outside Naples, it's important to consider the social relations between the north and south, a whole other issue.
https://www.academia.edu/12208701/Folklore_Fakelore_History_The_Origins_of_the_Pizza_Margherita
Modernist Pizza includes a fairly good review of the history in its first volume. But it's a little pricey for most individuals. Overall, the first clear accounts I know of pizza - typically a disk of dough with some fish on it - come at the start of the nineteenth century (though the debtor story is documented just before that). Things like tomatoes only came along much later. The pizza places seem to have been low-priced dives, agreeable enough for those who couldn't afford better. But in considering attitudes outside Naples, it's important to consider the social relations between the north and south, a whole other issue.
Catherine
January 13, 2022
What a hilarious sweeping statement in this headline… I’m not woke so having a good laugh. A word of warning though… la Regina Margherita di Savoia is surely rolling in her grave.
Doneating
January 13, 2022
Odd how you partnered with Tillamook (Creamery) since they refuse to sell their 2-lb baby loaf mozerella cheese with vegan enzymes anywhere in the US. They chose to force American consumers to use pre-shredded with potato starch, allegedly to compete with the factory-made Kraft crap. They’ll sell the unshredded in Canada but not here. Ask them why.
VPNstandsforverygoodpizza
January 13, 2022
Hmm. VPN pizza is quite simple and needs to be eaten right out of the wood oven. So maybe hard to find? Also, pizza is pedestrian in a good way, accessible to all. We're so fortunate to have access (here in the SF Bay) to the right ingredients, even 00 flour produced by our own Tony Gemignani, basil and tomatoes. Sometimes we make mozzarella from unpasteurized milk from cows in West Marin. I make pizza in a wood-fired oven at home, doing my best to adhere to the rules of VPN. If I spy a restaurant that has a wood-fired oven, and isn't super precious about what they serve, I give them a try (or truthfully I am stealing their ideas).
KingKarnivor
January 13, 2022
Hey, I know that name, Tony Gemignani from the flat box! Respect The Craft! I loved Pizza Rock here in CapCitySac. Major bummer for me that it coronaed-out! I was getting my large all-meaters with mason jars of suds till its dying day! That stretch of K Street seems to wear an unshakeable curse though. If you come back, I suggest a spot in Midtown...say oh, anywhere inside the borders of J on the north, 28th on the east, S on the south, and 16th on the west, Ideally within five blocks of the crux of 24th & Q. Yes, Respect The Craft! - KK
Mis E.
January 13, 2022
This story is a good example of using history to miss the point and to misinform. Pizza in anything like the form we know it did not exist before tomatoes -- a new world fruit -- arrived in Europe. There is zero evidence that Italians hated pizza. It was quite a popular food among the poor in Naples, appearing before Italy was united as one nation. It may have been looked down upon by certain wealthy Neapolitans, but it was nonetheless consumed by many in Naples. Perhaps the author interviewed the wrong 90-year-old women "who never ate pizza before 1960" and allegedly viewed it as foreign food.
Doneating
January 14, 2022
That's always bothered me, too. I get a real bad buzzing when I hear Europeans make those claims of "it's traditional" when referring to ANY New World food in their "cuisine". Apparently, they only consider "traditional" to go back a few centuries at best yet claim to be the cradles of civilization or worse, humanity itself. Buggers! Ignorance becomes them.
Campo
January 14, 2022
The 90 year olds who never ate pizza before 1960 were probably from the north of Italy, (above Rome). Southern Italians were considered a different, (lesser), race and those from the north looked down on them. That said Napolitans, (Neopolitans), and those in the Campania region, (Naples and it's surrounding towns), were enjoying pizza for decades before those 90 year olds did. (BTW: my family is from Napoli and Avellino, both in the Campania region). In America my favorite pizzeria is 21. Located at 21 Carmine Street in New York's Greenwich Village, (wood burning oven pizzeria, excellent Naples style pizza, owned and run by immigrants from Naples) In Italy, and Campania in particular, you can't go wrong wherever you go, but Brandi Pizza on the corner of via Chiaia and Salita S. Anna di Palazzo in Napoli is where the fabled event of Queen Margherita having the pizza named after her took place and they still make an excellent pie. Buon appetito!
joetunick
January 13, 2022
My mother tells me of having great pizza as a kid, which would be in the mid-1920's in north western Connecticut. So pizza had obviously traveled out of NY city by then and wasn't as bad as depicted above. When I was in high school (late '60's) my mother commented that I was paying 25 cents a slice when she paid 25 cents for an entire pizza as a youth. Now my daughter pays $2.50 for a slice.
Jaybird
January 13, 2022
"my mother commented that I was paying 25 cents a slice when she paid 25 cents for an entire pizza as a youth. Now my daughter pays $2.50 for a slice"
One word: inflation and money devaluation due to our ever increased national debt in the second half of the 20th century. For example, your daughter's $2.50 today would only be worth $.30 in 1968, a loss of 88% in buying power. However, your quarter in 1968 was still worth half that buying power at $.13 in 1925 for a 50% loss.
One word: inflation and money devaluation due to our ever increased national debt in the second half of the 20th century. For example, your daughter's $2.50 today would only be worth $.30 in 1968, a loss of 88% in buying power. However, your quarter in 1968 was still worth half that buying power at $.13 in 1925 for a 50% loss.
ROCPizzaGuy
January 13, 2022
For what it's worth, my dad was in the U.S. Army in Italy from 1943-1945. He said he never once saw pizza. Granted, he wasn't in Naples, he went from Anzio northwards through Rome to the French border, but it's always made me question the story that returning GIs spurred the postwar growth of pizza in America. I don't get the impression it was all that widespread in Italy.
Jaybird
January 13, 2022
It was brought back with us but not as pizza (as was oregano and introduced as a household spice which still stands as the most popular sold single spice). The soldiers experienced what we better know as focaccia which had that spice on it.
Additionally, further developing that doughy saucy herbed craving was said soldiers were eating MRE tins of spaghetti in tomato sauce. One of the food suppliers to the U.S. Army was a WWI-era Italian immigrant named Hector Boiardi. Since the end of WWII, we've seen his products on the store shelves under the name Chef Boyardee.
When the soldiers got back the the US, many with Italian heritage, wanted that back home. Many started their own pizzerias in NYC and Chicago. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Additionally, further developing that doughy saucy herbed craving was said soldiers were eating MRE tins of spaghetti in tomato sauce. One of the food suppliers to the U.S. Army was a WWI-era Italian immigrant named Hector Boiardi. Since the end of WWII, we've seen his products on the store shelves under the name Chef Boyardee.
When the soldiers got back the the US, many with Italian heritage, wanted that back home. Many started their own pizzerias in NYC and Chicago. And the rest, as they say, is history.
KingKarnivor
January 14, 2022
Spaghetti-Os! As sorry as that stuff is I still love it! Great for camping and canoeing, along with kipper snacks and Vienna Sausages!
Jaybird
January 14, 2022
Spaghetti-Os is a Campbell's product not Chef Boyardee but close enough to the same stuff! I keep both brand products in the pantry as well as Vienna sausage on hand always. Once I was without power for nearly a week after a nasty winter storm in Atlanta back in the early 1990s and all stores were closed because nobody could drive anywhere. I lived off that stuff along with remaining canned soup and heated it up in my fireplace!
Gtaylor666
January 12, 2022
I remember very well when my future wife and I enjoyed Artichoke Pizza from a small storefront near David, in Florence, 1972,
Wonderful!
gary
Wonderful!
gary
VPNstandsforverygoodpizza
January 13, 2022
Aw! That will likely be the best pizza you ever eat. Well done and I wish you many happy years (consecutive, even.)
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