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Russ Parsons' Dry-Brined Turkey (aka The Judy Bird)
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Sally
December 1, 2024
I just made this for a 'Thanksmas' dinner for US and UK friends since turkey is featured in both the US and UK traditions. It was perfect. It definitely cooks faster than a non-brined turkey, and I've made a note to adjust my timings for the next time I make it. I will definitely use this technique for roast chicken from now on as well. Thank you!
debvajda
November 27, 2024
I put my 9-pound bird in the oven almost 3 hours ago and it's still not to temp. Everyone is saying that it cooks faster than expected. I wonder if my my thermometer is unreliable. I thought it was a Thermapen, but it's a Javelin Pro. Ugh.
Leith D.
November 27, 2024
Where are you temping it? I usually take it out at 155 and let carryover cooking finish it off.
dini18
November 27, 2024
I don't know if you've solved this by now, but I'm wondering 1) if you have an oven thermometer to check the oven's actual temp and 2) if it thawed enough before roasting. (Where's Leith???)
Here's a link to ways to check for doneness without a thermometer, if you don't trust yours. Good luck, and happy Thanksgiving!
https://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/cooking-tips-techniques/how-to-take-turkeys-temperature-without-thermometer#:~:text=To%20find%20out%20if%20your,the%20turkey%20to%20be%20done.
Here's a link to ways to check for doneness without a thermometer, if you don't trust yours. Good luck, and happy Thanksgiving!
https://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/cooking-tips-techniques/how-to-take-turkeys-temperature-without-thermometer#:~:text=To%20find%20out%20if%20your,the%20turkey%20to%20be%20done.
dini18
November 27, 2024
This reply wasn't here when I posted mine! That or I'm being my usual flaky self.
debvajda
November 28, 2024
You are all so kind to reply! I tested all over in the recommended spots (using two different thermometers in case the first one was off). I was getting high readings in the breast and low readings in the thigh. And the readings were all over the place. When I took it out, I think I had a reliable 155F in the breast and 165F in the thigh. But while I had it tented and cooling, bloody juices dripped out of the bottom. It was visibly undercooked. So I put it back in the oven for another 30 minutes then let it rest for 1 hour. When I carved it, the white meat was dry, drumsticks overdone, and the thighs were bloody and undercooked by the bone. I put the thighs back in the oven by themselves for another 30 minutes and they were finally done. Starting the turkey breast-side down would probably have helped. I haven't checked the accuracy of my oven temperature for a while. I'll definitely do that. However, later I cooked a perfect pumpkin pie in it.
My turkey wasn't frozen. It was a fresh turkey that I brined according to the instructions. This is the first year I used Diamond Crystal salt instead of coarse kosher salt. From the top and sides, it was a picture perfect turkey. But the underside looked pale and undercooked. I even had to pry the oysters out.
I've made this recipe before and it turned out. I've also made buttermilk-brined chickens (heaven) and turkeys. I have a turkey in the freezer for Christmas. At the very least, I'll spatchcock it.
For anyone reading this, don't let this deter you! My sister makes this recipe every year and says it's foolproof. So Happy Thanksgiving and may all your turkeys be juicy!
My turkey wasn't frozen. It was a fresh turkey that I brined according to the instructions. This is the first year I used Diamond Crystal salt instead of coarse kosher salt. From the top and sides, it was a picture perfect turkey. But the underside looked pale and undercooked. I even had to pry the oysters out.
I've made this recipe before and it turned out. I've also made buttermilk-brined chickens (heaven) and turkeys. I have a turkey in the freezer for Christmas. At the very least, I'll spatchcock it.
For anyone reading this, don't let this deter you! My sister makes this recipe every year and says it's foolproof. So Happy Thanksgiving and may all your turkeys be juicy!
dini18
November 25, 2024
Oh, Leith. Leave it to me. I made sure to get Diamond Crystal Kosher salt. I was pouring it out to show my daughter the big fat crystals and then brine the breast. But it's the FLAKES. Will it matter?
If anyone's chasing out the door tonight to pick some up, be warned that, at least where I live, this brand costs twice what the next-most-costly Kosher salt costs. I don't mind (as long as I can use it?), because it will last.
If anyone's chasing out the door tonight to pick some up, be warned that, at least where I live, this brand costs twice what the next-most-costly Kosher salt costs. I don't mind (as long as I can use it?), because it will last.
Leith D.
November 25, 2024
Fear not, the flakes should work fine. From the Jacobsen Salt Co: We highly recommend you only use kosher salt for dry brining. The larger salt flakes will cover more surface area without the risk of over salting your food.
So there you go! Relax and worry about some other dish, this one is going to be fine! Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃🍽
So there you go! Relax and worry about some other dish, this one is going to be fine! Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃🍽
dini18
November 25, 2024
You know, at least I'm good for a little comic relief every year! I was convinced I needed coarse.
Thanks, Leith. I've had a look at some of your veggie and sides recipes and will be using them liberally through the season.
Thanks, Leith. I've had a look at some of your veggie and sides recipes and will be using them liberally through the season.
dipity
November 25, 2024
dini18, fear not it is the right kosher salt. Many moons ago I fretted over the same issue when I brought my box home and saw the word Flake. I called Diamond Crystal directly and they assured me it is the same kosher salt of old. Happy Thanksgiving!
dini18
November 25, 2024
Thanks, dipity, I sure was having a time trying to persuade myself to go back out into that morass that is the supermarket this week.
Enjoy your holiday!
Enjoy your holiday!
jenco
November 24, 2024
For those who use the cheesecloth method to cook - do you also put seasoned butter under the skin? Do you salt/season the turkey in addition to the butter and dry brine? This is my first time cooking a turkey and I want it to be just right!
Leith D.
November 24, 2024
Seasoned butter is up to you, I don’t put it under the skin anymore, I just rub it on top and inside. The soaked cheesecloth is a game changer so don’t leave it off. It doesn’t need more salt but you could add other seasoning if you want. Think of the turkey as a giant chicken and season it like you were roasting a chicken!
Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
kittypdq
November 23, 2024
So excited to try this recipe! We have a 22# turkey, and my husband and I are locked in a debate about whether or not to put butter under the skin. I’m planning to use the cheesecloth method. Any votes for whether or not we should butter under the skin as well? Thank you!
Leith D.
November 23, 2024
You can do both! Herb butter under the skin, soak the cheesecloth in 1 cup of white wine, 1 cup of broth (or more as needed), and 3-4 TB melted butter.
Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
dini18
November 22, 2024
Where IS everyone? Less than a week left and no email notifications?
I just picked up my two half-breasts and made absolutely certain that the ingredients are: Turkey.
That's a mistake you make only once. Even if the store assured me last year that I was getting fresh turkey, the brand-name wrap really ought to have clued me in.
This will, once again, be fantastic.
I just picked up my two half-breasts and made absolutely certain that the ingredients are: Turkey.
That's a mistake you make only once. Even if the store assured me last year that I was getting fresh turkey, the brand-name wrap really ought to have clued me in.
This will, once again, be fantastic.
Leith D.
November 22, 2024
I was wondering the same thing! I’ve generally answered a bunch of questions this close to Thanksgiving.
I saw a few dry brining questions on the Hotline and referred them to this recipe, maybe the recipe hasn’t been mentioned in any Thanksgiving articles this year.
Good luck with your turkey breasts, and have a Happy Thanksgiving!
I saw a few dry brining questions on the Hotline and referred them to this recipe, maybe the recipe hasn’t been mentioned in any Thanksgiving articles this year.
Good luck with your turkey breasts, and have a Happy Thanksgiving!
dini18
November 22, 2024
Same to you, Leith! I can't imagine this recipe going by the wayside. I usually come back with the first email notification. But crickets so far this year.
After last year's disaster (my fault), I cannot wait for Thursday. Thanks always, for everything. This is the only way I'll ever prepare turkey again, whatever season!
After last year's disaster (my fault), I cannot wait for Thursday. Thanks always, for everything. This is the only way I'll ever prepare turkey again, whatever season!
Calliecoco
November 23, 2023
Despite all the little hiccups this bird turned out so moist and delicious. I must say it was too salty for my taste (my fault) but, not so much that I couldn't enjoy it. Surprise, surprise the bird was done in 3 hours (an hour earlier than expected) and I used my trusty instant read thermometer and could not believe it. Wow. Then I realized I had the oven on convection bake and it all made sense. Anyway nothing tragic and when my sister in law asked for the carcass...well when your company wants to take home the bones I guess I can call that a success! Thanks everybody. I look forward to seeing how everyone's day turned out.
dini18
November 23, 2023
Through absolutely no fault of this recipe -- it's all on me -- I have ruined a turkey for the first time in my 6+ decades. I've had "meh" turkeys before, especially before I found this recipe, but these are just wrecked.
I bought two, whole, "fresh" turkey breasts. They were not cheap. Did I mention they were "fresh?" It never occurred to me to read the ingredients. I was pretty sure the ingredient was "turkey breast." Full stop.
Nope. They had all the garbage that a lot of commercial, frozen, whole turkeys have. I only thought to look it up after the absolutely gorgeous bird came to the table and proved inedible.
We prefer a little turkey with our salt. I can't even imagine anything to use them for, they're so salty. I'm glad it was just us three, and that I didn't depend entirely on drippings to make the gravy since I made it ahead.
I'm so mad at myself I can barely breathe. Last year I had the most perfect turkey breast ever, courtesy of this recipe. I'm out a lot of money and a lot of recipes I wanted to use the extra meat for.
Next year I'm going back to the local butcher where I know it will be an actual fresh breast with nothing added, and the Judy bird will again reign at my table.
But I'm glad that more and more people are discovering this recipe and getting great results. :)
I bought two, whole, "fresh" turkey breasts. They were not cheap. Did I mention they were "fresh?" It never occurred to me to read the ingredients. I was pretty sure the ingredient was "turkey breast." Full stop.
Nope. They had all the garbage that a lot of commercial, frozen, whole turkeys have. I only thought to look it up after the absolutely gorgeous bird came to the table and proved inedible.
We prefer a little turkey with our salt. I can't even imagine anything to use them for, they're so salty. I'm glad it was just us three, and that I didn't depend entirely on drippings to make the gravy since I made it ahead.
I'm so mad at myself I can barely breathe. Last year I had the most perfect turkey breast ever, courtesy of this recipe. I'm out a lot of money and a lot of recipes I wanted to use the extra meat for.
Next year I'm going back to the local butcher where I know it will be an actual fresh breast with nothing added, and the Judy bird will again reign at my table.
But I'm glad that more and more people are discovering this recipe and getting great results. :)
krissy
November 22, 2023
I've used this dry brine recipe for many years and I swear by it. This year I was invited to the firehouse where my son is a firefighter. But guess who got covid last week and then passed it to her husband? Yep. So now I had to shop on Wednesday for my turkey and fixins for 2. I dry brined my 12.5lb turkey and left it uncovered in the fridge. We'll see how it turns out.
Leith D.
November 23, 2023
Oh no, what a shame! I’m sure your turkey will be delicious and I’m glad you’re feeling better. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family 🦃
Calliecoco
November 22, 2023
Oh Thank you so much. There was not much salt visable but, I wiped the bird down. I did not rinse it or leave it out of the bag last night. I thought about it and decided to buy unsalted butter so I will not add any additional seasoning when basting. It is a bigger bird than the original recipe calls for so, hopefully it can handle the extra salt. I am taking it of the bag for a good 12 hours open to air. Truth be told I have always been a guest and never a host so I have never cooked a turkey. I am trusting all the good reviews that say even with minor goofs this still turns out a great meal. I will start my thanksgiving early and say I am grateful for all of you who read this thread and want to help everyone. It has been a very positive experience!
dini18
November 22, 2023
You didn't have as much extra salt as you think, either, so that helps! For your bird it actually calls for 4 TB plus a little more, so you're not that far off.
In case you haven't had the chance to read every single comment here (it's a very long thread), Leith and others have said it turns out that it doesn't make much difference whether you flip the bird. Yours is huge, so I'd recommend not trying it! Just start breast-side up.
I learned the first time I made this to start checking the temperature almost obsessively once it gets close, because at that point it finishes fast. I don't make a turkey as big as yours -- I use large whole breasts instead -- but once it hits about 140, I make sure to check at least every ten minutes.
These are the most important things that I've learned from the folks on here. Aren't they a great bunch? Don't forget to let us know how it came out!
In case you haven't had the chance to read every single comment here (it's a very long thread), Leith and others have said it turns out that it doesn't make much difference whether you flip the bird. Yours is huge, so I'd recommend not trying it! Just start breast-side up.
I learned the first time I made this to start checking the temperature almost obsessively once it gets close, because at that point it finishes fast. I don't make a turkey as big as yours -- I use large whole breasts instead -- but once it hits about 140, I make sure to check at least every ten minutes.
These are the most important things that I've learned from the folks on here. Aren't they a great bunch? Don't forget to let us know how it came out!
Leith D.
November 22, 2023
It sounds like everything is fine so far. If you have questions while you’re cooking it please let us know!
1. Use cheesecloth soaked in melted butter, wine, and broth and drape it over the bird.
2. Start checking the temperature early using an instant read thermometer, in the thigh under the leg. If there’s a pop up thermometer in the breast ignore it.
3. If the bird is done but dinner isn’t finished yet, wrap it in foil, then a towel, and put in a cooler if possible.
I’ll monitor the comments if you have any questions.
1. Use cheesecloth soaked in melted butter, wine, and broth and drape it over the bird.
2. Start checking the temperature early using an instant read thermometer, in the thigh under the leg. If there’s a pop up thermometer in the breast ignore it.
3. If the bird is done but dinner isn’t finished yet, wrap it in foil, then a towel, and put in a cooler if possible.
I’ll monitor the comments if you have any questions.
Calliecoco
November 21, 2023
I have over salted the bird. The 21 lb bird was frozen solid on Sunday and had areas with thick layers of ice. I salted the bird with 3 tbsp and then my spouse salted the bird with 3 tbsp again on Monday "to help it thaw". Is there any corrections I need so it won't be too salty?
Leith D.
November 21, 2023
I’d wipe off any visible salt today. If there isn’t much visible to wipe off I’d rinse it off and put it back in the fridge. It’s a big turkey, you should be ok.
Good luck and let us know how it turned out. Happy Thanksgiving!
PS: I’m sure he was trying to be helpful 😳
Good luck and let us know how it turned out. Happy Thanksgiving!
PS: I’m sure he was trying to be helpful 😳
Leith D.
November 21, 2023
Yes, I think the bird has probably absorbed enough salt to continue dry brining. Hopefully she won’t have to rinse it, just wipe off the visible salt.
BH
November 21, 2023
Ok help. I didn’t read carefully beforehand and just finished dry brining and put in the fridge. It is noon on Tuesday. Planning to eat at 3 on Thanksgiving. Will someone draw me a picture of how to fix this?
dini18
November 21, 2023
I was thinking that when you unbag it tomorrow you might be able spatchcock it and that would dry the surface more quickly and let the salt do its work, but that's a big bird.
Someone more familiar with the process is sure to have better insight, but I can say with some confidence that you have not ruined your bird! It might just not get the full benefit of the dry brine. Good luck and let us know how it comes out.
Someone more familiar with the process is sure to have better insight, but I can say with some confidence that you have not ruined your bird! It might just not get the full benefit of the dry brine. Good luck and let us know how it comes out.
BH
November 21, 2023
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond! I appreciate it. I doubt I will spatchcock anything lol. But good to know my bird is not ruined!
Leith D.
November 21, 2023
Don’t worry, it’s fine! Just keep it in the fridge until Wednesday night, then take it out of the bag and let it air dry in the fridge overnight. It will still come out moist and juicy.
dini18
November 21, 2023
I hope that Leith will check me on this but I would take it out to give it a day to dry.
Leith D.
November 21, 2023
Yes keep it in the bag until Wednesday night when you take it out to let the skin dry
Leith D.
November 23, 2023
I’m so glad it worked out for you, it’s a very forgiving recipe!
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃!
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃!
Burchie
November 20, 2023
Wondering if anyone has ever pulled off successfully with sea salt? I tried to scroll through the 900 comments and I know it's mentioned that this can be done. When I look up recalculating measurements (Kosher->sea) online, I keep finding articles that say don't even bother dry-brine a turkey with anything but Kosher. I can't find Kosher salt anywhere with the shortage and the online order I placed is now 2 days late. Wanted to see if anyone here had first hand experience with this..
Leith D.
November 20, 2023
I’ve never tried it, but checking google it looks like you’d use the same 1 TB/5 pounds amount of coarse sea salt. FYI Trader Joe’s now carries Diamond Crystal Kosher salt, the box looks different but it’s the same product.
erin
November 20, 2023
I'm tempted to chew my own tongue off for telling you this, but here goes... in a pinch, you could use Morton's, just use slightly less than half
of what the recipe calls for because Diamond Crystal is much less salty than Morton's, I don't know if it has anything to do with iodination. I would probably taste the different salts I might use and use that for guidance as well. May your package arrive making this whole conversation mute. Good Luck, it will be great, however, you choose to proceed.
of what the recipe calls for because Diamond Crystal is much less salty than Morton's, I don't know if it has anything to do with iodination. I would probably taste the different salts I might use and use that for guidance as well. May your package arrive making this whole conversation mute. Good Luck, it will be great, however, you choose to proceed.
erin
November 20, 2023
The first time I cooked this I'd never heard of Diamond Crystal, guess what I used?
dini18
November 20, 2023
To be honest with you, I couldn't figure out what sort of itty-bitty community you come from that Kosher salt was a problem. Well, I visited the largest and most well-stocked supermarket in my small city and all FOUR slots for different Kosher salt were empty! I grabbed a small bag of coarse Himalayan.
I hope you'll let us know how you like your bird. I have a pair of large turkey breasts Judying in the fridge because someone here (probably Leith) encouraged me one year to go ahead and try it with a breast. Like pretty much everyone else here says, I'll never go back!
I hope you'll let us know how you like your bird. I have a pair of large turkey breasts Judying in the fridge because someone here (probably Leith) encouraged me one year to go ahead and try it with a breast. Like pretty much everyone else here says, I'll never go back!
dini18
November 20, 2023
Hi, Leith! Correct about the taste-test, or correct that iodization makes a difference? Because that's a food-science thing that would be useful to know! Thanks for making this page feel like a little community, year after year.
Leith D.
November 20, 2023
Both, Morton’s will work as long as you adjust the amount you’re using to brine to account for the difference in saltiness. I am not a food scientist!
Leith D.
November 20, 2023
Years ago I discovered that newer cookbooks, websites, chefs etc. use Diamond Crystal kosher salt as the standard, and that’s what you’re supposed to use unless the recipe says otherwise. Like Bon Appetit, Food52 etc. However, this recipe works with other types of salt too! And yes, it was probably me who told you to dry brine the turkey breast. I’m not 100% sure how I’ve become the turkey whisperer but here we are!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Amy
November 18, 2023
So for cooking on Thursday, does the brining start on Monday morning? afternoon? Or Sunday? For some reason, I can't figure that out lol. Thanks!
Amy
November 18, 2023
Then out of the bag on Wednesday to dry in the fridge, I'm thinking. Thank you!
Debbie
November 18, 2023
I did this last year and it was the best turkey in 50 years. I love that the recipe specifies exactly how much salt to use rather than a very imprecise “salt the turkey well.” Also, the 4-day brine makes all the difference. You will not be disappointed.
erin
November 19, 2023
I always start mine on Sunday night so that on Wednesday night I can have it resting in the fridge until I remove it for cooking on Thursday.
The first year I made this I didn't start until Monday night and it was still great and moist.
The first year I made this I didn't start until Monday night and it was still great and moist.
kelly1111
November 22, 2023
I start the dry brine Sunday morning and unbag it Wednesday Night. We eat at noon or 1pm, so I get it the turkey out of the fridge at 7am to sit for an hour and preheat the oven. Put it in the oven at 8 am and follow the directions from there.
My turkeys are usually 16-17 lbs and they cook in about 2 1/2 - 2 3/4 hours total. I also have an hour drive and I wrap it up in foil and it's perfection when it arrives- still hot and juicy!
My turkeys are usually 16-17 lbs and they cook in about 2 1/2 - 2 3/4 hours total. I also have an hour drive and I wrap it up in foil and it's perfection when it arrives- still hot and juicy!
kelly1111
November 22, 2023
I also start with a frozen bird- I take it out of the freezer Friday morning, remove the insides on Sunday morning and apply the brine.
Leith D.
November 22, 2023
Try my husband’s trick, wrap the turkey in foil, then wrap it in a beach towel and put it in a cooler. All the insulation keeps it warm and moist! Happy Thanksgiving!
Cheri
November 8, 2023
I discovered this method of brining a turkey approximately 8 years ago and would never make it any other way. It makes the moistest turkey possible. I usually start with a frozen bird which requires a little extra time but it is well worth the delay. Give this a try and you will never go back to any other way of brining a turkey.
dini18
November 25, 2022
After years of watching these comments, I finally was able to lay my hands on a high-quality, very large, fresh, local-ish turkey breast. (At the expense of other food luxuries, and with pleasure.)
Over and over I've read "... and will never do it another way again," and you can add my voice to the chorus.
I also, for the first time, used the convection feature on my little oven, which only had space--and barely--for the breast.
I'm so glad I bought a huge one. There are just three of us, but we will be using our leftovers, very happily, and eventually out of the freezer, for some time to come. Best bird to come out of my kitchen, ever, and I've been at it for 40+ years.
Thanks to the developers, and to commenters over the years. It's a keeper, and so much simpler than I imagined!
Over and over I've read "... and will never do it another way again," and you can add my voice to the chorus.
I also, for the first time, used the convection feature on my little oven, which only had space--and barely--for the breast.
I'm so glad I bought a huge one. There are just three of us, but we will be using our leftovers, very happily, and eventually out of the freezer, for some time to come. Best bird to come out of my kitchen, ever, and I've been at it for 40+ years.
Thanks to the developers, and to commenters over the years. It's a keeper, and so much simpler than I imagined!
dini18
November 26, 2022
I used the same cooking time and did not flip the breast. It looks, from follow-ups from Leith, that flipping isn't necessary after all.
The only thing I would caution is that, once it gets within 30 degrees or so of done, check frequently, maybe every ten minutes. This sounds counterintuitive because you don't want to cool down the oven, but mine went from "not quite" to "take it out now!" pretty fast.
On the other hand, I was using convection, so this may be less true with a conventional oven.
The only thing I would caution is that, once it gets within 30 degrees or so of done, check frequently, maybe every ten minutes. This sounds counterintuitive because you don't want to cool down the oven, but mine went from "not quite" to "take it out now!" pretty fast.
On the other hand, I was using convection, so this may be less true with a conventional oven.
Leith D.
November 26, 2022
It always finishes faster than I think. Here’s what we do: take the turkey out and wrap it in foil. Wrap it in a large beach towel and put it in a cooler. The turkey comes out juicy and still hot. I know it sounds crazy but it really works. It stayed in the cooler for 2 hours this year! Everyone was late etc.
Leith D.
November 26, 2022
Time doesn’t change. I stopped flipping after my husband dropped it one year, thankfully he managed to catch it! But what a mess!
Leith D.
November 23, 2023
It’s not as crispy as it was right out of the oven but the turkey itself is amazing. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃!
big D.
November 24, 2022
We’ve used this recipe every year since 2009. Everyone who tastes this turkey can’t believe how moist and flavorful it is. We’ve even had people who’ve said that they don’t like turkey ask for the recipe after tasting our turkey. If you’ve never tried a dry brine turkey you have to try this recipe. It NEVER fails!
TJL
November 23, 2022
I have been making this turkey for years and it is truly the best! I have a question though: this year, I started brining while the turkey was still somewhat frozen on Monday. Should I go back in today ( Wednesday) and brine in the places I could not get to such as the underside of the legs or inside the cavity? Would it be worth the hassle? Would the salt evaporate by tonight when I unwrap it?
Thanks-
Thanks-
Leith D.
November 23, 2022
I don’t think it’s worth it tbh, because the salt will take more than one day to get into those areas. Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
Max S.
November 22, 2022
I’ve been doing this for a number of years, and it’s great … until this year. I made our turkey for an early thanksgiving bc some ppl are working on that day. I followed the same method I’ve always done, but when it was time to taste, I was disappointed. I almost went and got a whole new turkey, it felt that dry to me. But hubby went and made gravy, and by the time it was all served, it was amazing! Absolutely tried & true!
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