52 Days of Thanksgiving
52 Days of Thanksgiving
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sheri
November 25, 2016
Sounds like you do not have right wing radio talk listening older relatives. All of our family gatherings have already had too much political talk resulting in a wedding that no relatives were invited to, family vacations cut short, people not making an effort to visit for Christmas. Some people will not come to the middle no matter how long you talk and this counts for both left wing liberals and right wing conservatives. There is no point in carrying on the months and years long discussion into yet another family holiday. I did take my right wing dad to a Korean restaurant and he talked with the owner and had a good time. But that doesn't change his mind about Hillary who is as white/European descent as they come. Maybe what people need to realise is that politics is about much more than race. It's obvious the writer is liberal/democrat and assumes that all others that did not vote the way she voted are racist. That is exactly what is wrong with the politics now. Democrats have a holier than thou attitude that not only are they the only non-racist people in political discussion but that other people need their help in learning to cook! wow! Can you imagine if throughout all the generations families only talked about politics at every family gathering and didn't delve into how their family members felt about their own lives and bothered to get involved in their family's lives in a truly positive way--not in a way that pushed some point of view? That's why everyone was talking about Thanksgiving without politics. I think it was a good idea.
Gwen
November 25, 2016
While chardruck's article eloquently expressed my visceral reaction to the results of this past election, it clearly provoked more than a bit of your anger. You bring up some good points, and few that just leave me scratching my head. I find myself nodding in recognition about older relatives who listen to right wing talk radio, the very real danger of family arguments that result in long-term grudges, the faulty logic bandied about by some that all Trump voters are racists, the aggravation evoked when a passionately expressed opinion assumes all listeners share a point of view. I'm perplexed at the umbrage taken at the cooking instruction tangent (isn't this a food site?), though perhaps that's a reaction to what feels like being called a racist, or ignorant. And yes, a single conversation with a Korean restaurant owner isn't going to make the scars of the Korean War go away--that's naively simplistic--but it at least it's a step toward connection with someone once seen solely as the enemy.
BTW, while my family story below had to do with rendezvous during the Civil War, in no way did I mean the parallel with today was that one side of the family was racist and the other not--I'm pretty sure they all were, and for a good many generations to follow, and their Civil War was as much about economics and nationalism as it was about slavery, which makes it feel very contemporary to me. I agree with chardrucks that we'd best get better at listening to each other. I agree with you that the holiday table might not be the best place to begin: too many voices, and usually only the most strident and persistent are heard. Kind of like the election.
Frankly, I rather liked NY Times columnist David Brooks' tongue-in-cheek advice: "I recommend not talking about politics right away, but having several earlier rounds of conversations. So, the first subject could be things I have always resented about you. And the next subject could be ways you have wounded me from which I will never recover. And then, by the time you get to politics, it will seem pretty good, actually." Yup. That about sums up my family. Then he says, "Politics is something we care about, but friendship matters more. Family relationship matters a zillion times more." And that's my family too.
BTW, while my family story below had to do with rendezvous during the Civil War, in no way did I mean the parallel with today was that one side of the family was racist and the other not--I'm pretty sure they all were, and for a good many generations to follow, and their Civil War was as much about economics and nationalism as it was about slavery, which makes it feel very contemporary to me. I agree with chardrucks that we'd best get better at listening to each other. I agree with you that the holiday table might not be the best place to begin: too many voices, and usually only the most strident and persistent are heard. Kind of like the election.
Frankly, I rather liked NY Times columnist David Brooks' tongue-in-cheek advice: "I recommend not talking about politics right away, but having several earlier rounds of conversations. So, the first subject could be things I have always resented about you. And the next subject could be ways you have wounded me from which I will never recover. And then, by the time you get to politics, it will seem pretty good, actually." Yup. That about sums up my family. Then he says, "Politics is something we care about, but friendship matters more. Family relationship matters a zillion times more." And that's my family too.
Gwen
November 23, 2016
Wise words, worth considering carefully. While I would NEVER enter into a political discussion with my 80-something father (far more benign topics have sent him into an apoplectic tizzy, and he seems entirely incapable of respecting a differing opinion, which I don't see changing in his remaining lifetime), I think incorporating others' food traditions as a springboard for discussion is a good one. And I wanted to share a family legend that seems apt. During the Civil War, my father's kin were split between Union and Confederate soldiers. The matriarchs, though, had no intention of giving up the yearly family reunions, and so secret routes through mountain passes and across rivers were discovered so that the two sides could gather in a neutral, hidden place and share a meal together. How I wonder what those family discussions sounded like, whether they were able to talk about what was important, or if it was enough just to break bread with the "enemy" to remember their true connection.
chardrucks
November 23, 2016
Oh, WOW, Gwen, that is an incredible story! I wish we knew what kinds of conversations they had, and what they ate. Leave it to the women to hold the family together., with food. Thank you for sharing this.
Peony
November 23, 2016
This was great, thank you. A co-worker told me about this great organization today (its mission is to encourage white people to stand up against racism) and they have a guide for talking about race around the Thanksgiving table. You can even text them an SOS at 82623 if you are stuck and aren't sure how to move forward in the conversation. They will even talk with you on the phone on Thanksgiving Day to do 1:1 coaching.
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/thanksgiving
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/thanksgiving
Windischgirl
November 22, 2016
Thank you for these suggestions. I'd welcome a reasoned discussion over the dinner table, complete with data and specifics about what they think the new administration will bring (I was trained as a scientist, after all). Unfortunately, any attempts to do this with my kin will devolve into an emotional presentation (I.e., one person speaking, no dialog happening)...and this from the side that picked the winner. It's sad, but it's also not worth tearing my family asunder.
My fallbacks will be, "howdja like those mashed potatoes?" and "howbout them Steelers?"
My fallbacks will be, "howdja like those mashed potatoes?" and "howbout them Steelers?"
E
November 22, 2016
"I find myself asking: Haven’t we been doing that for long enough? Has encouraging loved ones to tiptoe around each other and restrict our conversation topics to sports and the weather possibly done everyone a disservice?" THANK YOU! This resonates with me so much. I'm very lucky that with my good friends and in my immediate family, we are able to talk freely even if we don't agree. However, come events with other people, like not as close friends and family, the M.O. was to avoid "risky" conversation topics. But that tactic HAS done everyone a disservice. I have spent the last two weeks now making time to talk with friends, family, and strangers and asked if they were willing to have a discussion about the topics of the moment/next four years. And they've all mostly been very willing, engaging, and taught me so many new things. We need to be having these conversations. And yknow what? A good meal or a great cup of tea made everyone I spoke with more likely to converse with respect, and a real interest in understanding the other opinions.
Thanks for this piece!
Thanks for this piece!
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