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ClotildeB
March 16, 2022
This was so interesting to read, because I recognised my upbringing (French but emigrated to the UK as an adult), cutting with our hands, not dressing too early (my mum always complains if I misjudge the timing and accidentally cook the salad!!). However, I grew up in the south and I have never in my entire life been served salad between the main and cheese. It's always been a starter, so it's interesting to hear of regional differences (my family from Orléans does the same, but I know people further north who do eat salad after the main). Fascinating! I actually do miss eating salade verte everyday!!
bob55ack
June 20, 2021
At my grandparents' house, the bread was always on the the table. She was of English and Scots ancestry; her mother came to Oregon by covered wagon from Indepedence, Missouri. Her father came to Oregon from California. The other side of the family was English by way of Canada. My great-grandfather came to California during the Gold Rush. He went back to Canada to get his wife and children; they walked across Nicaragua on the way back. He bought land, first in California and then Oregon. They were people with no pretensions to any high place in society. Putting the bread on table was simply what you did. At that table, you never cut bread--you broke bread (with your hands) as the bible enjoins.
Rochelle
July 31, 2018
OK Ann, riddle me this, I travel to Paris 10+ times a year. I never see salads served with a meal in restaurants..not entree, cheese course, nor offered as a side.It is generally a side of some form of potatoes. Is there some sort of salad embargo or otherwise hidden (local) lingo that I am missing ? Txs
ClotildeB
March 16, 2022
I'm obviously late to the party but we don't tend to eat a salade verte in restaurants, it is I assume too plain. It's never been a restaurant course in my life but a daily home course :)
Emilien
June 23, 2017
I'm Belgian and we have about the same traditions about bread (and a lot of food related things)
the funny moment explaining that bread belongs to everyone is when there is very little bread left on the table... then the kids,and the great kids called adult, try to steal the bread in front of each other. Especially the last piece wich you can barely fight for.
the funny moment explaining that bread belongs to everyone is when there is very little bread left on the table... then the kids,and the great kids called adult, try to steal the bread in front of each other. Especially the last piece wich you can barely fight for.
Carrie S.
June 21, 2017
"Now if someone could just explain the French rule about keeping bread on the table, instead of on a plate…"
I'm French, and I laughed out loud at your great piece, Ann! I recognized many scenes from my everyday life! Now for your question ("if someone could just explain the French rule about keeping bread on the table, instead of on a plate"), the answer that immediately comes to my mind is that it would be... odd? In French, we have a saying: "Pain sur table n'a pas de maître" ("Bread on the table has no master"). Its place is on the table. And why would you put it on a plate? If it's a baguette, you break it by hand. If it's a loaf, you have it sliced at the boulangerie. And even if you sliced the bread yourself with a bread knife in your kitchen for your guests, then you may serve it on a wooden board or a basket. But I dunno, putting it on a plate makes it look like it's a dish, a fussy thing, a finite entity, while it's something everyone should help themselves with as they wish... If of course your host has bought enough bread -- oh, and that is to be hoped! It's always awkward when we have a meal together with friends and someone suddenly exclaims in the middle of the meal: "there's no bread left!" Terrible.
I'm French, and I laughed out loud at your great piece, Ann! I recognized many scenes from my everyday life! Now for your question ("if someone could just explain the French rule about keeping bread on the table, instead of on a plate"), the answer that immediately comes to my mind is that it would be... odd? In French, we have a saying: "Pain sur table n'a pas de maître" ("Bread on the table has no master"). Its place is on the table. And why would you put it on a plate? If it's a baguette, you break it by hand. If it's a loaf, you have it sliced at the boulangerie. And even if you sliced the bread yourself with a bread knife in your kitchen for your guests, then you may serve it on a wooden board or a basket. But I dunno, putting it on a plate makes it look like it's a dish, a fussy thing, a finite entity, while it's something everyone should help themselves with as they wish... If of course your host has bought enough bread -- oh, and that is to be hoped! It's always awkward when we have a meal together with friends and someone suddenly exclaims in the middle of the meal: "there's no bread left!" Terrible.
joie
June 20, 2017
Being from the "Salad Bowl of the World" I think I have had salade almost every night of my life. I was taught to tear the softer leaf lettuces, however do use a knife on iceberg(I know some hardly consider it lettuce) or hearts of romaine. Sometimes I will slice it down the spine and then tear.
Denise
June 20, 2017
"That's because our lettuce is good. It doesn't need anything else." - Love that! ;)
Jennifer
June 19, 2017
Other than eating salad after the main course (which I increasingly do, even though we have no cheese course--it just works better for me, no explanation needed), all these rules were ones that my mother taught me in the benighted 60s. We lived in the suburbs of NYC; she had grown up in coal country. She was not a high-falutin' woman. But touch lettuce with metal? never. Etc. The reason French lettuce needs to be repeatedly soaked is that it's grown in real soil, not in antiseptic medium. Trying buying a real head of lettuce (or some truly lovely mesclun, not the ersatz stuff in a plastic tub)--it actually has flavor, and of course grit. My mother knew that--she grew up on bunny & squirrel (there was no money for meat) and homegrown veggies in WWII. Nothing fancy, just real food.
Abra B.
June 19, 2017
Actually, the bread on the table rule is pretty straightforward. Bread is considered to be communal property, belonging to everyone, so it's impolite to imply that you're keeping it from others that might need or want it. In practice, of course, no one is going to take your personal piece of bread from in front of your plate, but it's a gesture of generosity and communal spirit.
Nick
June 19, 2017
Minor correction but there is a French word that relates specifically to lettuce, it is "laitue". Calling lettuce salad is no great mystery of French culture, the same occurs routinely in English when people go to the grocery store it isn't uncommon for someone to say that they bought salad when in reality they bought lettuce.
Ann M.
June 19, 2017
Yes, laitue is another word for lettuce (and I love the names of lettuces in French – my favorite is feuille de chêne). Personally, in English I wouldn't describe a head of lettuce as a salad, but maybe that's a regional thing? I think it's interesting that WordReference defines "salade" as "légume vert," but "salad" is "cold food with lettuce."
Nick
June 19, 2017
It's all rather whacky isn't it!? I feel that the WordReference definitions have almost merged at this point. I know anglos who claim that potato salad is not salad at all due to a lack of greenery yet the French have some salads that while vegetable-based are barely "vert" anymore, I'm thinking of that Parisian favorite of steamed leaks that have gone yellow. Globalization in conjunction with hyper-regionalism have left us with some interesting nuggets!
Nick
June 19, 2017
No one wants to go there...though maybe they'd be less grumpy this Monday having just come off of "le weekend" ;)
Gemma1122
June 19, 2017
"Don't drink wine during the salad course. It insults the wine."
This was the rule in my French boyfriend's house when I was younger. I think it has something to do with the vinegar in the salad dressing.
This was the rule in my French boyfriend's house when I was younger. I think it has something to do with the vinegar in the salad dressing.
Ann M.
June 19, 2017
So true! And I do like this French turn of phrase – makes it easy to remember :)
Betty G.
June 19, 2017
My mother was a salad lover in all forms. She also taught that lettuce is always hand torn into bite size pieces & never cut with a knife even on one's plate if the pieces were too big, one used a fork to make them politely mouth worthy.
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