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FuuckSP2023
June 12, 2023
Why does Food52 participate in this identity politics drivel? It brings nothing to the table but narcisist self obsession and tired tropes of imagined oppressions. Let's just cook please.
Brent L.
September 17, 2019
Eric,
I put this essay in my Reading List when it came out, but only got around to reading it now.
Thanks for it. I really identified with it.
I started noticing your columns first because you're Asian and there aren't many Asian writers not focused on Asian cooking around. Then I noticed you were a baker too! Like you, I'm a gay Asian American baker and started baking at the age of 9, well before I realized I was gay, and have never stopped.
I also never made the connection between being gay and being a baker until my future sister-in-law made a very similar comment to your cousin. Though, today I have a warm relationship with her. My whole family slowly got over their homophobia and embrace my husband and me.
While I very much agree that the stereotype of baking being a feminine task and therefore a gay task if it's a man doing it is based on misogyny, I still wonder why I know so many other gay bakers besides myself. Most of us started baking well before we realize we are gay. For me, my love of baking lead to my profession in Chemistry, which is very similar to baking in may ways. I also know quite a few Chemist who love to bake, most of them straight.
Thanks for trying to connect these dots that are key parts of many of us. I really enjoyed your essay. Keep at it.
Brent
I put this essay in my Reading List when it came out, but only got around to reading it now.
Thanks for it. I really identified with it.
I started noticing your columns first because you're Asian and there aren't many Asian writers not focused on Asian cooking around. Then I noticed you were a baker too! Like you, I'm a gay Asian American baker and started baking at the age of 9, well before I realized I was gay, and have never stopped.
I also never made the connection between being gay and being a baker until my future sister-in-law made a very similar comment to your cousin. Though, today I have a warm relationship with her. My whole family slowly got over their homophobia and embrace my husband and me.
While I very much agree that the stereotype of baking being a feminine task and therefore a gay task if it's a man doing it is based on misogyny, I still wonder why I know so many other gay bakers besides myself. Most of us started baking well before we realize we are gay. For me, my love of baking lead to my profession in Chemistry, which is very similar to baking in may ways. I also know quite a few Chemist who love to bake, most of them straight.
Thanks for trying to connect these dots that are key parts of many of us. I really enjoyed your essay. Keep at it.
Brent
Eric K.
September 18, 2019
Brent, thanks so much for the thoughtful comment. I love how you explicitly said what I was trying to intimate: "I still wonder why I know so many other gay bakers besides myself. Most of us started baking well before we realize we are gay."
Laura L.
July 6, 2019
I am divorced, but haven't seen specific recipes I should make. I'm also a nurse, can't find nurse specific recipes. I could go on... You know what I Love? Food. Cooking,baking,seasoning,grilling,preparation,enjoying,sharing.
I Love your single person recipes, passion for food, you inspire me to try new techniques and ingredients like no other chef. I love your talent, Doesn't matter your age, nationality,sexual preference, zodiac sign, tax bracket or favorite color. Thank you, embrace your gift, and Please keep sharing it
I Love your single person recipes, passion for food, you inspire me to try new techniques and ingredients like no other chef. I love your talent, Doesn't matter your age, nationality,sexual preference, zodiac sign, tax bracket or favorite color. Thank you, embrace your gift, and Please keep sharing it
GayPDXCooks
June 23, 2019
Bake, baby, bake! Thanks for sharing. By the way, I’ve been known to send my husband to the grill to get him out of the way of my “gay baking.”
Eric K.
September 18, 2019
Hah! Love that.
I love bringing "gay cookies" to work when I'm feeling especially homosexual.
I love bringing "gay cookies" to work when I'm feeling especially homosexual.
Shane L.
June 14, 2019
I wasn’t going to comment on this post, as, I am typically incapable of commenting without reading the comments of others (I know there will be a lot of nasty ones on this post). I have however, found the strength, for now, to refrain from doing so.
My first act after reading, was to ask google home: “hey google, are most pastry chefs male or female?
Google home: My apologies, I don’t understand
Me: Well, neither do I
I seem to be a bit confused. Why, to my knowledge, are “professional” chefs mostly male, when most “home cooks” are female? Are females good enough to cook for men at home, but, not capable enough to be “professional”?
Like your father, my father, only cooked when it involved grilling! All else, was left to my mother.
If a person enjoys doing a thing, let them do the thing; please leave gender out of the thought process! I promise, I won’t judge a man for changing a diaper, cooking dinner, or baking a birthday cake. These things are simply life tasks that need to be done. Hell, if the lawn needed mowing, and my father was busy working, my mom would happily take care of it (hair in curlers, tank-top, short shorts, and cowboy boots).
Luckily for me, my family has always been very accepting, coming out was accepted with hardly a “glitch in the matrix”. I do, however, have several of my mom’s recipes, and enjoy whipping them up when I’m in need; most are savory dishes. My two favorite sweet treats: her oatmeal chocolate chip cookies, and her chocolate sheet pan flat cake (which was always cut into individual servings, wrapped up, and frozen. BTW, straight out of the freezer is my favorite way to enjoy that yummy treat).
Love who you love
Be a giver, not a taker
Spread love, not hate
Elevate your fellow people, love them, and leave the judgment to whatever magical sky wizard you believe rules the universe.
Peace out bi@#&es!
-Shane
P.S. I’m about six sheets to the wind, and apologize if this comment is complete nonsense ;)
My first act after reading, was to ask google home: “hey google, are most pastry chefs male or female?
Google home: My apologies, I don’t understand
Me: Well, neither do I
I seem to be a bit confused. Why, to my knowledge, are “professional” chefs mostly male, when most “home cooks” are female? Are females good enough to cook for men at home, but, not capable enough to be “professional”?
Like your father, my father, only cooked when it involved grilling! All else, was left to my mother.
If a person enjoys doing a thing, let them do the thing; please leave gender out of the thought process! I promise, I won’t judge a man for changing a diaper, cooking dinner, or baking a birthday cake. These things are simply life tasks that need to be done. Hell, if the lawn needed mowing, and my father was busy working, my mom would happily take care of it (hair in curlers, tank-top, short shorts, and cowboy boots).
Luckily for me, my family has always been very accepting, coming out was accepted with hardly a “glitch in the matrix”. I do, however, have several of my mom’s recipes, and enjoy whipping them up when I’m in need; most are savory dishes. My two favorite sweet treats: her oatmeal chocolate chip cookies, and her chocolate sheet pan flat cake (which was always cut into individual servings, wrapped up, and frozen. BTW, straight out of the freezer is my favorite way to enjoy that yummy treat).
Love who you love
Be a giver, not a taker
Spread love, not hate
Elevate your fellow people, love them, and leave the judgment to whatever magical sky wizard you believe rules the universe.
Peace out bi@#&es!
-Shane
P.S. I’m about six sheets to the wind, and apologize if this comment is complete nonsense ;)
Antonio V.
June 18, 2019
sexuality should be left out of cooking, who gives a fuck what you are? I'm not gay but I respect choice.! I bake, cook, clean, do my nails shave my ass and it never crossed my mind to label my passion.
Thamar T.
June 11, 2019
I just had to comment. First of all, to anyone with any sense, homophobia is obviously stupid and vicious. Secondly, assigning gender labels to non-reproductive activities is foolish at best. However, even though the "gay" baking comment was homophobic and misogynistic, we are missing an important point here. Of course, baking is not gay or straight. (By the way, "straight" is a crooked term if used in contrast with gay. Rulers are straight, not people.) The important point is, there is nothing wrong with being gay (or not being gay for that matter). IF baking were gay thing, it would be a talent everyone should aspire to. Gay people would just be the blessed ones who could teach the rest of us. A person of any gender who cannot cook and bake is handicapped. Fortunately, most of us can learn to cook and bake, no matter what gender.
jeff
June 11, 2019
This is the silliest article I've ever seen on Food52. As a gay man - I have never seen anyone apply stereotypical descriptions of my creativity and fun in the kitchen. This includes my sons, their wives, my grandkids and many people (gay & straight) that have been invited and come to our (partner of 13+ years) home. They come for good food, fellowship (sorry if that's an offensive word) and fun. People who don't enjoy those three things probably won't come back. Food - and baking - should be a fun, enjoyable and entertaining show of love to those at the table - not divisive because of a label we want to attach to ourselves. Can't we help keep food what it is.... FUN?!?!?!?!?
jeff
June 11, 2019
I read it - that is why I wrote my comment.... Any baker (gay or straight) is above a "classification" based on who they go to bed with. Baking (and cooking) is about bringing joy to those you love - not some random description of who you are.
Carlos C.
June 11, 2019
Food isn't fun for everyone, Jeff. You are very fortunate to not have to go through some of the issues many other people have had to go through with regards to food. Remember that privilege and be thankful, but please do not dismiss others' experiences.
jeff
June 11, 2019
Well - you maybe right that I am fortunate but then you may not really know me and the context in which I form my thoughts/opinions. I was raised to believe that food is way to show love to the world - rather you agree with them or not. Food (baking or whatever) is not something that should not be weaponized buy any culture or lifestyle. Choose to love the food or not - but be honest with yourself and embrace the thoughts of anyone that you may not agree with.
gourmet B.
June 12, 2019
To Carlos's point, it's ironic to me, jeff, that you're asking him to "embrace the thoughts of anyone that you may not agree with" yet undermining the writer's experiences. Even more ironic (and perhaps worse) that you yourself are a gay man, too. That's the smell of privilege, my friend, and the problem with bystander-effect proximity. Just because something didn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not real for someone else. Not to mention that everything you said up to this point is, I believe, agreed with in the article, which makes me question whether or not you can read if you did indeed read it.
Nick
June 10, 2019
Eric: This is a terrific piece. The contrasts of baking providing you comfort and distress, creativity and constraint, is touching and telling. Your ability to be open and vulnerable is a real strength, and it helps this reader connect with food in a deeper way than I'd imagined. Thank you for sharing your experiences, so we can grow along as cooks, bakers, and people alongside you. Thank you also for sharing the cookies; they were delicious. :-)
Eric K.
June 12, 2019
Thank you so much, Nick. Glad you tasted the cookies. Between all the homophobia and bigotry, I was worried that the actual recipe would get buried!
Abraham S.
June 10, 2019
Eric,
After reading your article, I was compelled to take 2 actions: First, make your recipe of cookies (minus the fennel seeds), which is a no brainer, since I’m a baker. The second action required courage, a colossal amount of fearlessness, and commitment. As a source of encouragement & empowerment, I can’t help but echo the impacting words of James Baldwin, “Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced”. Finally, at the age of 52 years, I’m Gay.
Since June is World Pride Month, among many other things, we are celebrating 50 years of freedom to be true selves unapologetically and openly. I have decided to embrace myself & be proud of all the life lessons & all of my life achievements. No more shame, only Pride.
Thank you for sharing your truth.
After reading your article, I was compelled to take 2 actions: First, make your recipe of cookies (minus the fennel seeds), which is a no brainer, since I’m a baker. The second action required courage, a colossal amount of fearlessness, and commitment. As a source of encouragement & empowerment, I can’t help but echo the impacting words of James Baldwin, “Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced”. Finally, at the age of 52 years, I’m Gay.
Since June is World Pride Month, among many other things, we are celebrating 50 years of freedom to be true selves unapologetically and openly. I have decided to embrace myself & be proud of all the life lessons & all of my life achievements. No more shame, only Pride.
Thank you for sharing your truth.
Wendy
June 10, 2019
Eric,
Firstly, thank you for all your recipes and articles. I have enjoyed them immensely and (after reading your recent New Orleans article) I hope your dear heart is healing.
Secondly, I am teaching my now 9 year old grandson to cook and bake and I am astounded by his skill and his memory. Often now, he will sleepover and when waking first, he will make breakfast up to the point of turning on the oven. He remembers the recipes and will make muffins, waffles, and most recently, Violet Bakery’s cinnamon buns. BTW, he prefers 3 cups of flour in that recipe. He loves to help in the kitchen and is very serious about learning and listening about why we cook and eat the way we do and why some people in our family
(us) like to cook and others just like to eat what we cook. We both agree that cooking and baking is our way of expressing our love and care of others,
I am so grateful and confident that his emotional intelligence will never allow someone else to shame him for doing something that he wants to do. We don’t use the word gay in our home because we don’t use the word straight. We may be a “traditional” family and our friends may have two moms or two dads but we have never labelled them. Unfortunately, we did have to explain homophobia and he could not believe that some people could be so ignorant.
I don’t think baking is gay, not that I care. Every person must eat to survive and feeding yourself is an important life skill. Why label those who can?
I am however concerned with the amount of artificial food colours in this recipe and the rainbow 🌈 recipes on this website. I will only use naturally derived food colours in my kitchen.
Firstly, thank you for all your recipes and articles. I have enjoyed them immensely and (after reading your recent New Orleans article) I hope your dear heart is healing.
Secondly, I am teaching my now 9 year old grandson to cook and bake and I am astounded by his skill and his memory. Often now, he will sleepover and when waking first, he will make breakfast up to the point of turning on the oven. He remembers the recipes and will make muffins, waffles, and most recently, Violet Bakery’s cinnamon buns. BTW, he prefers 3 cups of flour in that recipe. He loves to help in the kitchen and is very serious about learning and listening about why we cook and eat the way we do and why some people in our family
(us) like to cook and others just like to eat what we cook. We both agree that cooking and baking is our way of expressing our love and care of others,
I am so grateful and confident that his emotional intelligence will never allow someone else to shame him for doing something that he wants to do. We don’t use the word gay in our home because we don’t use the word straight. We may be a “traditional” family and our friends may have two moms or two dads but we have never labelled them. Unfortunately, we did have to explain homophobia and he could not believe that some people could be so ignorant.
I don’t think baking is gay, not that I care. Every person must eat to survive and feeding yourself is an important life skill. Why label those who can?
I am however concerned with the amount of artificial food colours in this recipe and the rainbow 🌈 recipes on this website. I will only use naturally derived food colours in my kitchen.
Smaug
June 10, 2019
And in other news- Maida Heatter, who did as much as anyone ever did to make baking safe for all of mankind and womankind, has passed away at 102 years. For some reason F52 refused to print this as a hotline topic- I thought maybe someone was working on a story- actual news in the world of cooking being pretty rare- but it's been several days and nothing. RIP
Carlos C.
June 10, 2019
And to this day, I sometimes doubt myself when it comes to food, thinking that I am doing something that is beneath me and not taking full advantage of my privilege to do something that exudes "greatness."
Carlos C.
June 10, 2019
The first thing that comes to mind reading your recipe is how I came across silver candied fennel seeds in Pakistan. Next time I go there, I will definitely get some just to make these cookies.
This piece hits close to home. Growing up, cooking was considered a masculine activity in my family, especially if it was "grand" - impressive gourmet dishes with fanciful plating, recipes that pushed the envelope, presentations that forcefully penetrated the diner in much the same way that a "macho man" was supposed to make love to the object of his desire. My dad was furious when he found out that I spent an afternoon baking with a school friend (he became enraged when he found out that we following the activity with making friendship bracelets, and was ashamed when he discovered that I became known for making friendship bracelets for my classmates - crafting was the most feminine thing you could do).
But what I found most interesting was the objection to taking on what he considered the feminine role of feeding people. It was masculine if you your cooking was a performance to bring glory to yourself and establish yourself as superior to others in your craft/hobby. However, to cook for people for the simple joy of feeding them was entirely feminine. Men do not feed people. We are not supposed to be concerned with that. So you can imagine my dad's objection when I said I was going to bring cookies to my classmates for my birthday. His first question was "How many other boys have done that in your class?" He was concerned that I would get a reputation for feeding people in a way that was unacceptable for men.
This piece hits close to home. Growing up, cooking was considered a masculine activity in my family, especially if it was "grand" - impressive gourmet dishes with fanciful plating, recipes that pushed the envelope, presentations that forcefully penetrated the diner in much the same way that a "macho man" was supposed to make love to the object of his desire. My dad was furious when he found out that I spent an afternoon baking with a school friend (he became enraged when he found out that we following the activity with making friendship bracelets, and was ashamed when he discovered that I became known for making friendship bracelets for my classmates - crafting was the most feminine thing you could do).
But what I found most interesting was the objection to taking on what he considered the feminine role of feeding people. It was masculine if you your cooking was a performance to bring glory to yourself and establish yourself as superior to others in your craft/hobby. However, to cook for people for the simple joy of feeding them was entirely feminine. Men do not feed people. We are not supposed to be concerned with that. So you can imagine my dad's objection when I said I was going to bring cookies to my classmates for my birthday. His first question was "How many other boys have done that in your class?" He was concerned that I would get a reputation for feeding people in a way that was unacceptable for men.
Kitty
June 10, 2019
Recently, I discovered a political candidate, whom I consider to be a great hope for the future, was coming down with a bad cold at the critical end of a tough race. I harvested greens from my garden with a suggestion that he make soup to kill the cold. But, he is so committed to feeding his wife and two little girls that he said he would save the greens for dinner the next night when they could eat the soup too. Only when I promised that I would bring him more in time for dinner did he make his soup that night. I had to laugh though, as his wife told me the family had leftovers for breakfast. So he got to feed them too.
The Gov of my state shopped, cooked, and fed his family on a daily basis until he became Gov.
I guess both of these guys are capable of great dishes but that is not what they are about. They find joy in the feeding, and use it to nurture and express their love.
The Gov of my state shopped, cooked, and fed his family on a daily basis until he became Gov.
I guess both of these guys are capable of great dishes but that is not what they are about. They find joy in the feeding, and use it to nurture and express their love.
Eric K.
June 10, 2019
Carlos, crazy stories. Thanks for sharing.
Re: friendship bracelets, I used to love these: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/10/02/6f100240c6a3aebadd66612d62cf5bc6.jpg
Re: friendship bracelets, I used to love these: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/10/02/6f100240c6a3aebadd66612d62cf5bc6.jpg
Westcoasty
June 9, 2019
Oh, Eric. This broke my heart a little. Some of the best home cooks I know are straight men, so it would never occur to me to think that a man who bakes must be gay. I've never known being a foodie to be gender- or sexual orientation-dependent. But then, I've never understood homophobia, either. We love as our heart dictates. I'm so glad you decided to continue to share your gifts with the world.
Kitty
June 9, 2019
Eric, I cried reading your article! I cried for you and all the others who had ever been hurt. I have been celebrating you, such a cool, nice and interesting person. It never occurred to me to wonder about your sexuality. Or care. It never occurred to me that baking might ever be construed as Gay. Holy heck, there are people that think that ??? Your cousin must be an outlier of one. Now I will care and be interested that you are Gay, because it will be part of celebrating you and your lovely recipes and articles ! But, this has got to be a first that I ever heard of sexuality ever being categorized to food creation.
While I am a good cook and baker, frankly it is my very straight husband who rules the kitchen as an expression of love for us gals. I think it might also be a kind of creative outlet, for him to shop and make the meals. When I think back on it, his dad was like that too. Going home to his dad’s cooking for a weekend meant an automatic 5 lb gain, loving every bite! 😋 and it was his dad who cooked the holiday feasts for the family and assorted friends, and family of the heart. My own dad was a very good cook and bread baker. He was forever thinking about how to improve his bread making. I was allowed to stay up late on bread making nights to eat a slice of his bread, hot from the oven.
My straight guy cousin next door used to bake in the summers when we were kids. I was the assistant and taster. In grad school, I lucked into a housemate who was a baker. He used to take our pie orders every night at 10:30 pm, and bake 3 pies from scratch every night for our midnight snack, and we took his made from scratch cookies to school for lunch. He is also Hetero.
Where I live, our Asian and Polynesian guys cook for their families and communities. I love my late classmate’s two (straight) sons who bake Chinese treats with their grandmother. I had to laugh that in making 40 recipes of Nian Gau for CNY, the younger brother thought to get a handheld cement mixer to help, lol. But, it is not limited to ethnicity as both my husband and his dad are white.
In reflecting, one of my dad’s best friends from college is gay. I am not sure he even cooked, much less baked. I think of him as a career guy.
Thank goodness you had the courage and wisdom to follow your talents and interests, and not be dissuaded or derailed by the cruel comment of your benighted cousin. Big hugs to you ! 🤗
While I am a good cook and baker, frankly it is my very straight husband who rules the kitchen as an expression of love for us gals. I think it might also be a kind of creative outlet, for him to shop and make the meals. When I think back on it, his dad was like that too. Going home to his dad’s cooking for a weekend meant an automatic 5 lb gain, loving every bite! 😋 and it was his dad who cooked the holiday feasts for the family and assorted friends, and family of the heart. My own dad was a very good cook and bread baker. He was forever thinking about how to improve his bread making. I was allowed to stay up late on bread making nights to eat a slice of his bread, hot from the oven.
My straight guy cousin next door used to bake in the summers when we were kids. I was the assistant and taster. In grad school, I lucked into a housemate who was a baker. He used to take our pie orders every night at 10:30 pm, and bake 3 pies from scratch every night for our midnight snack, and we took his made from scratch cookies to school for lunch. He is also Hetero.
Where I live, our Asian and Polynesian guys cook for their families and communities. I love my late classmate’s two (straight) sons who bake Chinese treats with their grandmother. I had to laugh that in making 40 recipes of Nian Gau for CNY, the younger brother thought to get a handheld cement mixer to help, lol. But, it is not limited to ethnicity as both my husband and his dad are white.
In reflecting, one of my dad’s best friends from college is gay. I am not sure he even cooked, much less baked. I think of him as a career guy.
Thank goodness you had the courage and wisdom to follow your talents and interests, and not be dissuaded or derailed by the cruel comment of your benighted cousin. Big hugs to you ! 🤗
Eric K.
June 9, 2019
Kitty, your comment is so thoughtful. Thank you for the kind words. Your husband and father-in-law sound like wonderful men. It is strange, isn't it, how we apply gender (and sometimes sexual, even ethnic) roles to certain roles and careers?
Kitty
June 9, 2019
I am hoping you just had the one-time incredibly bad fortune to have that asinine remark made to you !
Cooking and baking are survival skills and can make a huge difference in physical and economic well-being. (Imho so is the ability to grow food. Currently having fun with French Dandelions, a 14” very dense half globe of tender mildly bitter greens that are cut and come again. And btw, fennel seems incredibly easy to grow. My neglected sprouted seedlings are doing well.)
For me, recipes and methodology are an endlessly fascinating hugely interesting subject. You are a source of Light in that world, so thank you for sharing and for being you !!!
Cooking and baking are survival skills and can make a huge difference in physical and economic well-being. (Imho so is the ability to grow food. Currently having fun with French Dandelions, a 14” very dense half globe of tender mildly bitter greens that are cut and come again. And btw, fennel seems incredibly easy to grow. My neglected sprouted seedlings are doing well.)
For me, recipes and methodology are an endlessly fascinating hugely interesting subject. You are a source of Light in that world, so thank you for sharing and for being you !!!
Elisa.Bragunde
June 9, 2019
I find this baking is gay so hard to grasp. My brother in law is a baker, and as far as I know is not gay. My italian granfather made the best canestrelli, my brother bakes his mother-in-law's birthday cakes, and my son's godfather, who is gay, can't bake to save his life (Gaby if you read this, we all know Pablo is the one who bakes in your house, but I love your pasta).
However when my hubby and I were contemplating a kitchen set for my son's christmas gift, a senior relative complained and suggested a ball instead. Of course the kitchen set was a hit, as well as the firetruck.
However when my hubby and I were contemplating a kitchen set for my son's christmas gift, a senior relative complained and suggested a ball instead. Of course the kitchen set was a hit, as well as the firetruck.
Eric K.
June 9, 2019
Elisa, I'm so glad that you went with the kitchen set. The world needs more mothers like you.
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