Genius Recipes
Oh, *That's* What Key Lime Pie Was Missing
One important ingredient—and second-generation pie baker Petra Paredez’s very forgiving recipe.
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Mmabatho
July 20, 2023
I'm listening to the episode with Petra. I'm going to try her recipe this weekend. Thank you for sharing :)
P S.
August 14, 2021
this is one pie we make several times a year. have a final slice in the fridge now. pretty standard recipe. not a fan of adding meringue- i prefer whipped cream with a little extra lime zest. fun fact: swap the lime/lime zest with lemon/lemon zest and saltines for graham crackers for your crust and you have a killer southern lemon pie.
chefrockyrd
July 5, 2021
I love real key lime pie and i love lime pie too. And they do taste different. Just like meyer lemons taste different.
We never have it with meringue here in FL. Not saying its not good just different.
A comment I have made here before is that when I was in culinary school 100 years ago (seems like it) we were always taught in pastry class to use a metal like stainless or better - copper to whip egg whites. The metal whisk action against the metal bowl does help to whip them. Many mixers now have glass bowls and although I am sure its clean and dry when you put your whites in, you will get a better whip using metal. Try it. Maybe its an "old chef's tale" but it has always worked for me.
Also- it sounds to me like your kitchen aid has to be adjusted because of the way your whisk attachment was hitting the bowl. Get out the manual and there is an adjustment for that. Or call them. I have had many of them over the years and had to do that occasionally. Keep up the great videos. Looks like you are having fun.
We never have it with meringue here in FL. Not saying its not good just different.
A comment I have made here before is that when I was in culinary school 100 years ago (seems like it) we were always taught in pastry class to use a metal like stainless or better - copper to whip egg whites. The metal whisk action against the metal bowl does help to whip them. Many mixers now have glass bowls and although I am sure its clean and dry when you put your whites in, you will get a better whip using metal. Try it. Maybe its an "old chef's tale" but it has always worked for me.
Also- it sounds to me like your kitchen aid has to be adjusted because of the way your whisk attachment was hitting the bowl. Get out the manual and there is an adjustment for that. Or call them. I have had many of them over the years and had to do that occasionally. Keep up the great videos. Looks like you are having fun.
STABEACHER52
May 27, 2021
This recipe sounds delicious and I appreciate the innovations it contains. The use of hot syrup rather than granulated (my grandmother's method) or even superfine sugar certainly will prevent the "weeping" of the meringue as it cools. The sweet/tart lime/salt juxtaposition suits my palate and I'll soon make an attempt at this recipe.
However, characterizing this enticing concoction as "Key Lime Pie" is a bit of an overreach. I was born in Key West, grew up in the Deep South of the Florida Panhandle and lived for many years in South Florida. It strikes me that this recipe has more in common with the Lemon Meringue Pie my grandmother would make for Sunday dinner's dessert. Substituting a graham cracker crust for the pâte sablée (sweet cold water) crust and using Persian limes does not a key lime pie make. I don't recall meringue topping true key lime pies until the American foodie craze began to pervert basic traditional recipes by the addition of ingredients not available in their original form. To paraphrase Einstein: things should be a simple as possible, but no simpler. A good rule for true key lime pie.
I doubtless will enjoy the produce of Ms. Miglore's recipe. Given its sweet/tart contraposition and the use of Persian limes, I would be tempted to present it to my guests as a Margarita Meringue Pie. I'm sure their faces will illuminate with delight and pleasure from the first forkful to the last.
Thank you for sharing.
However, characterizing this enticing concoction as "Key Lime Pie" is a bit of an overreach. I was born in Key West, grew up in the Deep South of the Florida Panhandle and lived for many years in South Florida. It strikes me that this recipe has more in common with the Lemon Meringue Pie my grandmother would make for Sunday dinner's dessert. Substituting a graham cracker crust for the pâte sablée (sweet cold water) crust and using Persian limes does not a key lime pie make. I don't recall meringue topping true key lime pies until the American foodie craze began to pervert basic traditional recipes by the addition of ingredients not available in their original form. To paraphrase Einstein: things should be a simple as possible, but no simpler. A good rule for true key lime pie.
I doubtless will enjoy the produce of Ms. Miglore's recipe. Given its sweet/tart contraposition and the use of Persian limes, I would be tempted to present it to my guests as a Margarita Meringue Pie. I'm sure their faces will illuminate with delight and pleasure from the first forkful to the last.
Thank you for sharing.
Smaug
May 27, 2021
Key lime pie is a very old recipe, dating to the 19th century. This filling actually has more in common with the original than most you see today, though I agree that you really need Key limes for it to be Key lime pie. I suppose it's because, other than lime jello, Key lime pie is the only lime dessert with name recognition, people will call all sorts of things Key lime pie. As I say, the recipe is quite old, older than graham crackers, in fact- it was originally made with a standard crust. It also dates from a time when refrigeration was not generally available in the area- probably why the canned milk was used- so whipped cream wouldn't have been an option.
frizz
May 20, 2021
I watched the video and wondered if the meringue was under-whipped. I've always beat them until the bowl was room temp, and it was much stiffer, bigger, fluffier, and glossier than what was in the video.
Kristen M.
May 23, 2021
Hi frizz, thanks so much for your note. Yes, it was—I asked Petra and she recommended whipping longer after the syrup went in for a fluffier, less sticky meringue, so I added a tip to the video and recipe. The great thing about this recipe is that the Italian meringue is cooked through and delicious in many forms, even if you don't get quite what you're looking for (and Petra taught me I don't even need to be afraid of over-whipping!).
witloof
May 20, 2021
Not a meringue fan, so I top my key lime pie with whipped cream. A dollop of raspberry coulis flavored with Meyer lemon zest and orange flower water poured over the slice of pie and then topped with whipped cream is visually stunning.
cosmiccook
May 20, 2021
Agree w Stella. Last time I had authentic Key limes, was well in the Florida Keys back in 1980. They are also difficult to pick since the shrubs/trees have nasty thorns--at least the ones at the U-Pick-Em grove we stopped at.
On my list to make.
On my list to make.
Michele
May 19, 2021
So I was SOOO excited when I heard this was Petra of "Mom's Apple Pie Co"! I don't know her, but I am SO familiar with her family's amazingly delicious pies! I used to buy their strawberry/rhubarb weekly and their pecan for my dad on special occasions in a little market in Olney, Maryland. I sought them out after moving to Florida 15 years ago as I wanted to have some shipped (yes, they are THAT good). Unfortunately, they don't ship, but now I can at least make this. Thank you Kristen and Food 52 for bringing me a little slice of home :)
Kristen M.
May 23, 2021
So glad we made the connection! (Can you imagine how great the pies are when they all get together for holidays?)
MBE
May 19, 2021
Any one else have an issue when the tease "secret ingredient" is not explained in the first paragraph! I skimmed the article twice-saw all the ads and still not sure what was "missing!
Susan
May 19, 2021
I had the same reaction! After also reading through more than once, I concluded that salt in the meringue was the secret ingredient... ho-hum...
Laurel W.
May 19, 2021
I had only to watch the video one time to understand that the secret ingredient was hot sugar syrup in the meringue.
Don W.
May 20, 2021
Totally agree. And the pop-ups only made me more irritated. Seriously, being an ingredient-tease does not encourage aspiring cooks!?
MBE
May 20, 2021
But that's not a secret ingredient in my mind it's how you make an Italian meringue (which I do think is the best type for a meringue pie)
MBE
May 20, 2021
But that's not a secret ingredient in my mind it's how you make an Italian meringue (which I do think is the best type for a meringue pie)
Kristen M.
May 23, 2021
Apologies for confusing things—what first hooked me and seemed like it could make a big impact on how people make Key lime meringue pies was this (from our cofounder Amanda, in the 4th paragraph): "And it was topped with a salty—salty!—meringue that was arranged in swirls and lightly toasted. I thought the salty-sweet thing was GENIUS." But I couldn't help myself from talking about all the other brilliant things about this pie.
lalocook
May 19, 2021
I may find Persian limes easily (maybe at my middle eastern or Mexican markets a few blocks away?) but if not, wondering if you think adding Meyer lemon juice to regular limes will get me close to the flavor? (based on what I just read about the Persian variety). Because this has everything I love in it, including no weeping. (and I might dust the top w/ some dried black lime ? )
heath-tastic
May 20, 2021
Persian limes ARE Regular grocery store limes. The main point of using Persian limes instead is that they’re typically so much easier to find than Key Limes.
Nancy K.
May 19, 2021
The best pie with meringue I ever had was at Mustards Grill in Napa. The meringue was beige—from brown sugar. I think I’ll try that here.
Kristen M.
May 23, 2021
Oh yum—let us know how it goes. The extra moisture in the brown sugar might make a stickier meringue.
w226MLW
May 19, 2021
I was raised in South Florida and spent lots of time in the Keys, in my day there was never meringue on Key lime pie and I never put in on mine. It has to be tart enough to make your jaws ache. It’s a favorite in our household and for my grandchildren.
IWearTheHat
May 20, 2021
I live in Miami-Dade County, traveling back and forth from the Keys for 33 years and also have never seen a Key Lime pie with meringue on it. And using anything other than Key Limes makes this a faux Key Lime pie, although I'm sure it is still good.
Ana G.
May 22, 2021
Another life-long South Florida resident here. True, whipped cream on key lime pie, but.......... Blue Heaven in Key West makes their homemade key lime pie with a generous serving of meringue on top. It is delicious and Id say the best key lime pie in the Keys.
Firefighter's Dereks pies in Midtown in Miami also makes an amazing key lime pie with whipped cream on top.
Firefighter's Dereks pies in Midtown in Miami also makes an amazing key lime pie with whipped cream on top.
Ana G.
May 22, 2021
And yes, key lime pie needs to be tart! Its disappointing to have a sugary-tasting key lime pie with no tart.
Picabelle
May 19, 2021
I'm a decent baker but the first and only time I attempted a lemon meringue pie there was more weeping than the day my kids were born. What a mess! Lemon meringue is my dad's favorite pie so my mom made them on many occasions but never with a swiss meringue. I think I'll give dive back in with this recipe to get my confidence back! Love baking recipes that offer a bit of wiggle room.
Laurel W.
May 19, 2021
We get lots of key limes here in New Mexico, so I just enlist a helper to juice and zest. I thought that piling the meringue on top of a hot custard would help, but it was pretty weepy last time I made a key lime pie. Can't wait to try this new way of making meringue. Never thought of broiling!
Mkowalakperez
May 19, 2021
Fun video to watch! I tried a pavlova a while back and it came out pretty but too humid of a day. I'll try this for our anniversary!
Smaug
May 19, 2021
I think the conversion factors for Persian/Key lime are off- I don't have any around for comparison but Key limes I've known are nowhere near 1/2 the size of an average Persian lime. Zesting Key limes is a pain.
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