I roasted beets, wrapped in foil, and forgot to take them out of the over. They were in there for 24 hours after the oven was turned off. I'm assuming they should be tossed?
Remove them from the foil and remove the skin. If they don't smell bad, then taste a small piece. They will probably be fine
anyone want to break the tie?
According to the CDC the cases of botulism in the U.S. average 145 people per year, of those cases 15% are foodborne, and only 3-5% of those cases are fatal. http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/divisions/dfbmd/diseases/botulism/
I'm not an expert in food storage, but I think if the beets were roasted at 400 or so, most of the pathogens were killed. If loosely wrapped in foil, should be low risk for botulism-- bolinum is anaerobic. I would go with the try a tiny bit. There's a risk, but it's small. Could also reheat the beets to eliminate any pathogens that were growing while the beets were in the cooled oven.
bit. You could also reheat the beets to make them safer.
I'm not really concerned about throwing out the beets, but was more interested in what the correct thing to do is. Chefono, you seem to always take a very strict, perhaps overly cautious stance. Do you think yours is mainstream and targeted to home cooks? It very well may be--I'm no food safety expert.
I'm pretty sure Chefono's stance is much more strict than most home cooks: everyone I know would just eat the beets.
I am certified in food safety. Throw out the beets. Really.
Is the risk low? Perhaps. But crying out loud we're talking about BEETS! How much did they cost you? A few dollars? Is it really worth risking your health for beets?!!
The risk may be low but the risk is still real. Throw out the beets.
As i mentioned above, its not at all about the cost...
The correct thing to do is to ditch the beets.
I would consider myself to be reasonable about such things. I even believe the 5-second has its place in the world. But, twenty four hours is a long time. Too long.
I am amused that people find Chef Ono overly "strict" when he is steering people away from the shoals of a myriad of food-related illnesses. I think what he says is common sense supported by an impressive compendium of evidence. I'd rather make an evidence-based decision vs. taking a chance. field, we make decisions based on evidence. It puzzles me that in our era where people comment endlessly on our broken food system, and every day brings a new and horrible report of food recalls, etc., people would even consider taking chances. Years ago when I first started canning, I was delighted by a sentence I in an old Fanny Farmer cookbook: "The home canner must operate with a clear conscience." In my kitchen, those beets would have been in the trash the minute I saw them.
Sorry for the half sentence and typos--we need an edit function!
"It puzzles me that in our era where people comment endlessly on our broken food system, and every day brings a new and horrible report of food recalls, etc., people would even consider taking chances. Then why even ask the question if you knew what to do?
[SLC: did you confuse ATL and ATG 117? I sure did and see how it could happen!]
When one hotline question can get such differing opinions, we wonder why we have war in the world? All joking aside, I was commenting on the fact that despite evidence to support an answer, there is resistance to the answer,mostly when the topic is food safety. Food safety is very interesting, perhaps because in part the stakes are so high: Eating something and not getting sick vs. eating something, getting sick and even risking death. I have an autonomic reflex to pitch things if there is any doubt whatsoever. This is my reflex but I don't have the knowledge Chef Ono and others do have. We are fortunate to have them as a part of the Food 52 community. Many people ask food safety questions in a way that suggests they know the "correct" answer, but would like some scientific permission that it's okay to go against what they already know. The original question ATG117 asked is: "I'm assuming they should be tossed?" Personally, I love these questions because each time I learn more about food safety. Bring on the questions, the evidence, and the debate!
just out of curiosity, how safe are the recipes for slow roasted tomatoes that have you blast oven at high temp then turn it off and leave the tomatoes overnight? Is it OK because they're not wrapped in aluminum foil?
I've never tried that method. But two factors--the no foil and the acidity of the tomatoes--make for a much lower risk.
I kind of like this simple list from the Health Agency of Canada.
The following foods have been associated with botulism:
improperly prepared home-canned, low-acid foods (for example, corn, green beans, peas, asparagus, beets, mushrooms, spaghetti sauce, salmon);
improperly stored low acid fruit juices (for example, carrot juice);
leftover baked potatoes stored in aluminium foil; and
honey, which has been linked to cases of infantile botulism and should not be fed to infants under one year of age.