I'm using OO flour and let it rest for 72 hours as recommended. My oven was at 525. That's as high it will go. Ten mins or so.

It came out kind of raw and tasted floury. I'm worried about cooking it longer because I don't want the toppings to burn. It was also soggy. Any suggestions? I want it to have a nice crisp. But obviously not dry and burned.

  • Posted by: Tasha
  • March 14, 2015
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Jim L. March 17, 2015
In order to provide you with the best answer, please answer the following questions!
-How long did you bake for?
-How long did you ferment for?
-What was the inside and outside temperature?
-Are you measuring in weight or volume?
-What type of flour? What brand?
-Did you check on it every couple of hours and shake it or move it around?
-What type of yeast did you use? And, how old is it?

These will allow me to get a better idea of what you're working with.
Please also send photographs of your finished bread - inside and outside! These will all help me. Thanks!
 
Sam1148 March 16, 2015
@john

RE: Florida water.
If you're using tap water in Sulfer is a problem. And for tap water there's lots of stuff used to remove the sulfur that hangs around.

Okay.
Use filtered water. Bottled water for your pizza.
While Florida does have lime stone in it's water table--the sulfur overpowers that.

Recreate the NY water. Mineral water..
If you can find Calcium Carbonite. Use that.
But you probably don't want to do that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate

For a quick and dirty: Add about 1/2 baking soda to 1 qt of water, add a pinch of epson salts to the water.
That should come close to mimicing NYC water.
http://blog.khymos.org/2011/01/30/diy-mineral-water/
 
Sam1148 March 16, 2015
1/2 tsp to a quart.
Or even a pinch less. I use just a pinch and a couple of grains of epson salt to my 'soda stream' water.
 
Sam1148 March 16, 2015
I did this again tonight:

Here are my suggestiong.

Dough: I used 1 cup of the 00 flour and 2 cups of bread flour. 1 1/2 tsp salt..1 1/2 tsp sugar...1 1/2 tsp 'bread machine yeast'.

1 cup plus 2 table spoons of warm water. (that went in a bread machine on 'mix' only.

let it rise..punch it down (in the machine) let it rise again.

Then devide it it..because it makes two pizzas..just save the second ball in the 'frige for a couple of days---it makes the BEST bagget bread..etc. Great crusty stuff.



Okay. Preheat oven to 475.

Use an inverted half sheet plan and work on the back of the pan.


I also used a sheet of silplat..(a non stick baking mat) to help with rolling out the crust. use wax papper and your hands and streach and roll the dough out.


Flip the dough over and spread it on the back of the sheet pan.



Then decorate it with sauce and stuff.



The heat from the oven transfers very well through the sheet pan which helps crisp up the crust on this 00 flour. That crisps the bottom.

Also..remove the pizza to a rack, with air circulation after cooking; that will help dry out and crisp the crust.


Timing: The 475 in the oven was about 13 mins..it all depends on the thickness etc. But a slightly slower oven will crisp the bottom without burning the top.

I hope this helps....



I love this flour; it's a bit tricky to work with. But use it. 1 cup 00 and 2 cups USDA Bread Flour..and add 2 table spoons liquid to the basic pizza dough recipe.

 
Tasha March 16, 2015
Yea I'm using Caputo 00 pizzeria flour. I'm going to mix a bit of AP next time
 
Posie (. March 16, 2015
Tasha, what brand of flour were you using? Since 00 denotes just the grind (a finer flour than others), the protein level can vary quite a bit. You may want to try a 00 that has a slightly higher protein content or blend it with some AP flour as mrslarkin suggested. Many 00 flours are lower in protein and thus more elastic and "free-flowing", and are best for very very thin crust pizzas or crackers. If you're making a more substantial crust, I'd try blending in some higher protein flour and see if that helps out.
 
mrslarkin March 16, 2015
My personal preference for pizza is to use all King Arthur Flour all-purpose flour. It makes a sturdy, crisp crust. I tried mixing tipo 00 a few times, and found the dough to be very delicate, almost too delicate to stretch out properly. It's important to play around with different proportions and flours because everyone has different tastes and different home ovens. My latest pizza "toy" is the Baking Steel, which I bought in the food52 store. I love it.
 
Tasha March 15, 2015
Bread flour is just regular flour right? Anyone try cake flour
 
Jan W. March 16, 2015
Bread flour tends to have a somewhat higher protein content than your average all-purpose flour, and definitely more than cake or pastry flour. I would definitely avoid substituting one for the other.

Your average bread flour usually has ~ 12% or greater of protein
Antimo Caputo Tipo '00' flour has about 10% of protein
Pastry or cake flour (I use White Lily) has < 7% of protein

You really want a sufficient amount of protein in your pizza dough or else it will not form enough elasticity from the gluten and it will not produce a proper texture.
 
Jan W. March 14, 2015
Wow - I've only had to let my dough rest for > 24 hours. I've never had to preheat the quarry tiles I used for more than 15 minutes. If the crust is soggy, it is possible that there is a considerable amount of extra liquid left in your sauce or toppings. I try to remove as much moisture as possible from my sauce before applying it, and I make sure that any toppings i apply aren't too wet either. Only enough sauce is needed to just barely cover the surface, any more and it will be too much.
 
boulangere March 14, 2015
You're on the right track, Tasha. I find that if I toss the hand-pulled pizza into the oven on the stone for 5 to 7 minutes, then remove it and then top it (and not heavily at that) and return it to the oven, the results are wonderful. Alternatively, you could be anti-American/pro-Italian and top your pizza sparingly and bake it and its toppings all at once.
 
Sam1148 March 14, 2015
Also..I only use 1 cup of 00 flour and 2 cups of bread flour.
 
John L. March 16, 2015
I'm with you, Sam on the ratio. However, I can't seem to make pizza (or bread) down here in Florida. They tell me it's the water. I'm from Wooster St. New Haven, CT. Pepe's, Sally's, if you know the area. Any suggestions? (other than go back home) lol Thanks.
 
Sam1148 March 14, 2015
That's my go to flour for pizza. I started using a stone and about 500 and preheat the stone a LONG time. Almost an hour.

But lately I've been rolling out the dough on the back of a 1/2 sheet pan and then decorate the pizza and put the pan in the oven without a stone. That works very well.


 
Tasha March 14, 2015
Yes I have a stone and hear the oven on max for at least 45 minutes. The other way I used to bake my pizzas they turned out great. Using this flour and recipe for a Neapolitan pizza it seems soggy
 

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mrslarkin March 14, 2015
Hi Tasha. Sounds like you are making pizza. I preheat my oven for at least half an hour on the Broil setting (mine gets to 550) . oven needs to be super hot, and even though it might beep to say its ready, its not. Then, i switch to the bake setting, and if it needs a little more color on top, ill put the broiler on with the door cracked open, and keep a close eye on it. I use a pizza stone or a baking steel. Those work great for an evenly cooked pizza. Do you have either?
 
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