How do you fellow cooks/picklers handle food wimps?
I ask because I get tired of being nice about it sometimes. Speaking as a nose to tail consumer, I eat everything. I eat everything in the garden too, including the snails. Certain things I understand; okay if you are Kosher no crab or pork, being celiac is a real condition, lactose intolerant I'm a skeptic, and as much as it pains me I understand that for genetic reasons some people can't taste the full flavor of cilantro. After that it just gets fussy, wierd. Example, my sister used to act as gatekeeper for my mother, and insisted that Mom didn't like beets. Turned out Mom did like beets it was my sister who didn't like beets. So now my sister gets anchovies in everything I cook for her---payback. What I'm getting at is that as a cook you have standards that you don't want to dumb down. I cook hand cut fries but you won't find ketchup in my kitchen. But the wimpolas are a fact of life. Love to hear your thoughts on how you handle this, especially if you are married to or partnered to someone who hates this or that.
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For instance, I brought my parents a bunch of ramps last week. They'd never eaten them before, and were put off by their strong smell. But when I suggested sautéing them and adding them to shrimp and grits, they were very enthusiastic. When I introduced my family to goat cheese, I did so with a garlic-dill flavored chèvre because I knew they'd enjoy that flavor combination.
Basically, don't let naysayers get you down. Don't be afraid to challenge them, but do so thoughtfully and discretely.
Also, sometimes it is fun to consider someone's preferences and make it a challenge for yourself. Some of the best discoveries I've made were outside my comfort zone.
If you truly have a medical condition or food alergy...come out and say so.
Your gracious host will not poison you. If the fish is served with the head and tail still on...shut up and eat it! Humans have been serving fish this way for centuries.
If your boorish palate cannot handle a variety of foods, then get right on down to MacDonalds or Burger King or Taco Belle and feed yourself all the fat, salt, and sugar you can handle. Do not bring Ketchup to my table...if you want ketchup slathered on all that you eat, do it at home...it won't kill you to forgo the ketchup this one time. Do not complain about "the texture"...ohhh, the texture! A fully fledged adult human should never come off like an immature child by complaining about the food someone has taken the time and effort to serve. It's funny, those "picky eaters" are always up for french fries, hot dogs, and ice creame...but never seem to be that enthused by actual nutricious food. Get over your prescious little self, shut up...and eat.
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Wow, didn't mean to vent like that. Not to make them sound completely horrible, they have tried and have liked some of the vegetables and fruit that I have prepared but it still is annoying to me. But, I love them and will keep preparing what they want and what I want and hope that their minds will open and that I can be more tolerant.
The closest I've come was some folks whose older kids (old enough to know better) arrived and promptly started going through my cupboards and fridge, and even the freezer. One of them was dis-satisfied with what was on offer for dinner as well. He whined and went back to his little electronic game thing. I just ignored him, figuring if he was really hungry, he'd get over himself.
As for pierino's original question, re-phrased, if it's a real issue (religious, medical, a serious, specific aversion), fine, accommodate. If it's a general, "well, I don't eat anything too strange or exotic," I say damn the torpedoes, full-speed ahead! If they don't like it, they can be polite and then stop at McDonald's on the way home.
P.S. It is vey hard to get your sense of humor across in type. I myself have been viewed as being rude here when I was attempting to be funny. It takes practice I guess.
My original question get's down to this: do you dumb it down or do you smart it up?I always go with the latter and Devil May Care. And he's driving my car.
My love of cooking started in college, when I cooked things like chicken sauteed with cooking sherry (oh dear) and a chunk of bad 1980s grocery store brie melted in (are any of you starting to hyperventilate yet?), and one of my most consistently successful meals was Shake-n-Bake chicken (THE HORROR, THE HORROR). Let’s just say I’ve evolved since then--but the look-down-your-nose-at-others commentary that shows up from time to time here certainly would have turned me off in my Shake-n-Bake phase, and maybe my love for food would never have developed in the way that it has. Maybe this is a bit too idealistic, but shouldn’t we all be encouraging the love of food in this community?
The entire point of cooking for people is to please them. Not to be passive aggressive.
Meant to also say: food should always be joyful and healthy, never punitive or a weapon.
How Can food be a punitive or a weapon?
If I don't care for people who are picky at my table and I don't accommodate them am I being passive agressive?
The kitchen committee I participate in had a meeting for a "solstice" dinner where the menu called for prime rib and I was in charge as lead cook. I had to source the beef. Someone asked, "is it grass fed?" And that came from a vegetarian who wasn't going to eat it anyway. Now that's a wimpola!
Perhaps my pickiest regular guest is also a dear friend, so I do accommodate her. She does eat fish (but not if it comes with a head or a tail, and not squid or shellfish), but no meat or poultry. However, she's perfectly happy to have, say, paella, and pick out the bacon, chorizo and shellfish and ignore the chicken stock. She also makes an exception for my Jewish Chopped Liver, and usually takes a bit home as well. Mind you, she’s also the sort of person who will throw a party and, recognizing that most of her guests are carnivorous, will cook and serve a few beef tenderloins in addition to the roast veg and couscous salad.
If someone has a genuine issue, well, OK I’ll accommodate and I always ask before someone new comes over. I guess I learned this in India where not only do you have to do veg and non-veg sides of a buffet table, but also various people are constantly on various fasts (no eggs, no grain, etc.). I mean, this is part of being a host and I often look on it as somewhat of a challenge. However, that doesn’t generally mean I’ll make the whole meal to suit them. Indian is great for this because I’ll make five or six dishes and if someone can’t eat one or two, well there’s still plenty for them to eat.
However, I cannot abide people who are sanctimonious about their food choices. There used to be a yoga teacher in Cairo who was a strict veg. A friend had his wife over and she refused the biscuits (cookies) she was offered, claiming she could “smell the blood in them.” I’m sorry, but that person would never be invited back, and, with luck, might have already left by the time I stopped laughing.
I also take issue with people who clearly just don’t like food. I think that’s what a lot of picky eaters are, and they just aren’t fun or interesting to share a meal with or cook for and generally don’t get invited back. I can’t think of a guest I’ve had like that who was over the age of ten since some aid worker we had to dinner in Cairo. Someone my wife had gotten friendly with. Didn’t like this, didn’t like that, etc. She was a bore and neither of us ever saw her again.
I can’t imagine marrying someone like that. My first really serious girlfriend thought Olive Garden was exotic and would actually choose to eat McDonald’s over, say, a homemade meatloaf. For that reason alone, I knew the relationship could never go the distance...
Though perhaps not as obsessive about it as I am, my wife really enjoys good food and is an appreciative audience. My kid too, though I live in fear that her teenage rebellion will be to go veg, just to torture me.
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I think that if we label people who have strong preferences "food wimps," we're missing the point of what we do. Do we invite people to our homes because we want to show off our great skills, or because we want to share ourselves with the people we care about? It can be challenging to meet a lot of people's specific needs, but strong preferences and especially food allergies, should be respected if we can.
And to those who are rude to us? I say smile and let it go. After all, one day we're going to be invited to someone's house who serves us Wonder bread and canned asparagus. And even though we might not eat it, we can be gracious and grateful and treat our friends the way we'd like them to treat us when we prepare a meal.
In the end, it's all about love.
Their father, a hillbilly from a hollow in W. Va., is big and burly and so good with tools that it's scary, but talk about a food wimp--he's so petrified of rare meat that he won't touch corned beef because "it still looks raw--I ain't eatin' it" even after he's been watching it boil itself to death for half the day. And the only things he'll eat that are green are lettuce (if it's on a taco) and jalapeno peppers. But if you've invited him to a lunch of reuben sandwiches or to a vegetarian dinner, he will very politely swallow what's in front of him in a way that you, the host, won't realize that he hasn't chewed one bit of what he's bitten off.
Son #1 will turn 40 this year and has absolutely positively never eaten mashed potatoes for the past 38 of those years. Son #2 hates snickerdoodles (!), #4 won't eat butter unless it's melted, #6 only eats female (no nuts) chocolate chip cookies or brownies, yet he adores pecan pie. I don't consider them to be food wimps because they all eat guacamole and turnips and bleu cheese and beans and we fight over chicken livers.
If you're an acquaintance--a co-worker or a neighbor, say--I will not invite you over for dinner unless I've thoroughly scoped you out. If I don't think I'd be comfortable catering to your food preferences, you'd be invited over only if it was potluck. If I'm cooking for you because you're related to me by marriage (like the first 'other grandma' who gags on mushrooms, or the second 'other grandma' who thinks whole grain bread is Third World food and who swears that Hormel chili is a godsend--miraculously, my daughters-in-law are normal), I will accommodate your tastes because I'm a gracious hostess who realizes that without you, my beloved grandchildren wouldn't exist, so one of the frittatas will be lacking mushrooms and you will have a choice of white or wheat blueberry muffins at Christmas brunch.
I like to think that people, related to me or not, enjoy eating here because I have "a way" with food. Most of the time, anyway. I'm not afraid to admit my mistakes, and I can handle a fair amount of criticism. (I am able to hear "Needs more pepper" or "Just once, could we have a roast chicken without lemon?" and "What's this green stuff?' without retorting, "Shut up and eat it.") And I'm not averse to making a last-minute substitution or even withholding a dish that I think is less than okay.
Conversely, I have had free meals that I thought were disappointing, but I would never think to disparage the food and the cook. Ages ago, I accepted an invitation to have lunch at the home of a Catechism student. I was anticipating a "ladies who lunch" type of spread. Mom served deli ham sandwiches on white bread without a condiment of any sort, cottage cheese, potato chips, milk. Also ages ago, I was served grand, wonderful meals with odd (to me, at the time) ingredients, like squid and daikon and smelly fish sauce, in primitive huts and stately homes on Japan and Okinawa and the Philippines. People serve what they like to eat, and I can state unequivocably that hosts the world over hope upon hope that their guest relishes their offerings as much as they themselves do, so I try very hard not to be a lousy guest. I try very hard to be the guest that I would like to have at my table.
I think it boils down to this: Is it possible for a wimpy eater to also be a great guest?
Like Latoscana said food should be joyful.
Then there are fussy people - can you figure out what's behind it? Is it part of a control issue? It seems to me that the best way to deal with it is to simply make and serve what you want and not make a scene if they choose not to eat it.
You wouldn't put up with a hairstylist that makes themselves happy and you didn't like the cut.
The entire point of cooking for people is to please them. Not to be passive aggressive.
Cooking for picky eaters is probably one of the best learning experinces you can have as you learn to adjust, simplify and you'll learn more from them than your knowledge of how something should be. Learn from them, they'll be the ones most likely to tell you screwed up.
I try to respect all who have dietary issue's and have made the choice to be vegan or vegatarian but people who don't like tomatoes or onions or don't like this or that rub me a little the wrong way when invited to my home for dinner. I do not cater to the picky eaters. I feel I serve enough food and sides that they should be able to find something and have removed people from my invite list only to hear them ask "when are we going to get together again". My brother in law always ask's if the food is organic just as he is sitting down at the table. A few times of that and he wonders why I don't have them over any more. To me this is rude. To come in to someone's home who has been gracious enough to cook for them and complain or give likes and dislikes after the meal or as your serving them is beyond me. I even told a neighbor that he should probably leave when the couple showed up for a dinner party and told me he only eats steak upon learning we were having pork for dinner. But, I have at this point whittled out the ingrates and have a great group of foodies that are always welcome at my table.
Reading this back though makes me sound like a tempermental jerk. But I rather be thought of as that then be the person who caters to picky eaters. My whole career has catered to picky eaters.
Thanks pierino, that was fun.