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Debbie C.
March 20, 2020
I wonder if an actual recipe, with ingredients and process exists to make the Marseille soap?
Starting with a bar of soap is not the way I make soap.
Starting with a bar of soap is not the way I make soap.
bowensoap
June 9, 2018
I also am a soap maker and had my own business making and selling natural soap for a dozen years. I had almost the same reaction to this article as Jennifer - so much was left out or misconstrued.
FS
June 5, 2018
So, are these miracle soaps tested on animals? It does state that animal fats aren't used in the manufacture, but it also says there's a on-site laboratory for testing ...
Jennifer K.
June 5, 2018
So, I'm a soap maker and have belonged to soap making groups for going on 8 years. I also have a degree in biology and find the chemistry of soap making fascinating. And while this all is a good story, there is so much that is missed here if you know anything about the chemistry of soap making.
Yes, by soda they mean sodium hydroxide (NaOH) or maybe potassium hydroxide (KOH) - the addition of salt can turn potassium soaps, which are quite soft, into sodium soaps, which are hard. The single ingredient of "vegetable oil". What the hell does that mean? Oils are made up of fatty acids (a mix of up to 7, generally). Each fatty acid brings something different to the bar (cleansing, lather, hardness, conditioning), and there is no one oil that is perfect. All have their trade offs. For instance, 100% olive oil soap is super gentle and conditioning, but also requires a very long cure time (up to a year) in order to have any lather whatsoever and not be slimy. Glycerin, described here as a "byproduct", is normally left IN hand crafted soaps (cold process or hot process soaps you'd find locally made at your local farmers market). Glycerin is a humectant, bringing moisture from the air to the skin and generally being wonderfully soothing and moisturizing. Taking it out makes a harder bar, and the "byproduct" can be sold separately. Most small soap makers chose to leave it in for its skin benefits. So yeah, this might be a special soap made in an age old way, but the stuff being sold by your local soapmakers is likely a better balance of ingredients, and didn't come from another country ;-). #shoplocal https://www.modernsoapmaking.com/secret-to-the-best-soap.../
Yes, by soda they mean sodium hydroxide (NaOH) or maybe potassium hydroxide (KOH) - the addition of salt can turn potassium soaps, which are quite soft, into sodium soaps, which are hard. The single ingredient of "vegetable oil". What the hell does that mean? Oils are made up of fatty acids (a mix of up to 7, generally). Each fatty acid brings something different to the bar (cleansing, lather, hardness, conditioning), and there is no one oil that is perfect. All have their trade offs. For instance, 100% olive oil soap is super gentle and conditioning, but also requires a very long cure time (up to a year) in order to have any lather whatsoever and not be slimy. Glycerin, described here as a "byproduct", is normally left IN hand crafted soaps (cold process or hot process soaps you'd find locally made at your local farmers market). Glycerin is a humectant, bringing moisture from the air to the skin and generally being wonderfully soothing and moisturizing. Taking it out makes a harder bar, and the "byproduct" can be sold separately. Most small soap makers chose to leave it in for its skin benefits. So yeah, this might be a special soap made in an age old way, but the stuff being sold by your local soapmakers is likely a better balance of ingredients, and didn't come from another country ;-). #shoplocal https://www.modernsoapmaking.com/secret-to-the-best-soap.../
FS
June 5, 2018
Interesting comment! In a book on soap making it states that glycerin is a common allergy trigger - I'm not allergic but this makes me wonder if a sensitive person should avoid it.
Rita S.
January 27, 2020
As a soap maker, I also have to agree with Jennifer.
This science of soap making could have been explored a bit more in this article. ‘Soda’ should have been researched and called by its proper name - ‘sodium hydroxide’ to avoid confusion. I’m wondering why they wash it and boil it so much and what the salt wash is for. It must be a method of extracting glycerine. A properly made bar of soap never has excess ‘soda’ aka sodium hydroxide in it.
Thanks for the interesting article!
This science of soap making could have been explored a bit more in this article. ‘Soda’ should have been researched and called by its proper name - ‘sodium hydroxide’ to avoid confusion. I’m wondering why they wash it and boil it so much and what the salt wash is for. It must be a method of extracting glycerine. A properly made bar of soap never has excess ‘soda’ aka sodium hydroxide in it.
Thanks for the interesting article!
Steve
August 4, 2020
That's some nice information to know. I also love supporting local. Thanks Jennifer! Although I'm not a soapmaker, I'm always interested in how things work. But after trying many different kinds of soaps and several Marseille soaps, real or not, I have to give the nod to Fer a Cheval for keeping this traditional soap making art alive. I have experienced what you described as insufficiently cured olive oil soap which is very slimy and unpleasant from a different soap maker. On the other hand, Cheval's Marseille soap has a completely different feel and smell compared to anything else out there. It is the best soap I can use daily for my extremely sensitive skin. It's appearance is unique as it develops surface cracks with use, and it has a hefty weighty feel compared to other soaps (denser?). The smell is pungent and clearly no fragrances were added to cover or alter the smell. It feels like there were no short cuts taken in the making of this very traditional soap.
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