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How a Self-Taught Baker Became a Pro Bagel Consultant
She's helped people open shops around the world.
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Susan
March 1, 2021
Sorry, but there’s nothing about a homemade bagel that resembles a real, hand-rolled, boiled-then-baked NYC bagel, except the hole. I understand that, in the absence of anything we crave, we try to approximate the chew/bite/texture of what we miss; but, there are a lot of very sad wannabe bagels out there that the inexperienced will mistake for the Real Thing.
jcnNorcal
March 1, 2021
Oh Susan, you talk so much, but you give nothing. Do tell us your magic secrets?
jcnNorcal
March 1, 2021
My homemade bagel (and anyone can make it, anywhere in the world) is better than anything you've ever made. This stuff about NYC bagel being superior is NONSENSE. Grow tf up.
Deborah C.
February 28, 2021
I grew up in the NYC area and love bagels. We left NY in 1970 and have searched out bagels all over the world. My son in law from Ann Arbor FINALLY gave me the best recipe. Google Stella Parks at Serious Eats and make her bagels. Worth the work! Neighbors now bring us 5 pound bags of KA Bread Flour in the hope of getting some! You will not be disappointed!!!
jcnNorcal
February 28, 2021
So I guess this comes down to an advertisement for this greedy lawyer with her secret recipes? What a jerk!
Making bagels is easy and fun. I haven't tried boiling with malt syrup or anything fancy, just plain water and they come out amazing. I also like to make them so that the hole in the middle closes or almost closes to make a great sandwich. Don't listen to these people who want to make things sound elusive, or that they have some secret recipe. It's BS.
Making bagels is easy and fun. I haven't tried boiling with malt syrup or anything fancy, just plain water and they come out amazing. I also like to make them so that the hole in the middle closes or almost closes to make a great sandwich. Don't listen to these people who want to make things sound elusive, or that they have some secret recipe. It's BS.
jillymacdowell
March 1, 2021
I've been on a bagel journey the past 6 months and I concur! It's a couple of enjoyable hours for more bagels than I can eat, and they're about as good as I need them to be. The ones I give away are met with moans of pleasure so I guess they're good enough!
Can't help continuously tweaking flours & sweeteners & ratios a little each time though. #homemadebagels #ilovetoknead
Can't help continuously tweaking flours & sweeteners & ratios a little each time though. #homemadebagels #ilovetoknead
mel
February 28, 2021
Sonoma County has some wonderful food, but terrible bagels! Compared to Brooklyn. There is a point when "Everything" doesn't require every inch be covered.
tastysweet
February 28, 2021
There is no denying that I love great bagels. The best one was at Sadelle’s in NYC. The original baker who I believe started this bakery, opened up with the best pumpernickel everything. But now they don’t even offer pumpernickel. Of course they have the best smoked salmon whisperer whose gift is slicing the smoked salmon by hand to thinnest possible. He has amazing talent.
So, if Sadelle’s started making the pumpernickel everything I would buy them all the time. Hands down. Their plain everything is the best around. Too bad they don’t ship.
But the bakery the author mentions, I don’t think offers bagels. Looked up their products and didn’t see any.
So, if Sadelle’s started making the pumpernickel everything I would buy them all the time. Hands down. Their plain everything is the best around. Too bad they don’t ship.
But the bakery the author mentions, I don’t think offers bagels. Looked up their products and didn’t see any.
MacGuffin
February 28, 2021
Have you tried Kossar's or, better yet, the Bagel Hole? Both do it the old-fashioned way but I prefer the latter because theirs are classically small.
tastysweet
February 28, 2021
Smaller is so much better. We had those in MA. The size was perfect and loved their pumpernickel. In FL. Z o great bagels. Still searching.
MacGuffin
February 28, 2021
Oh, I agree. That's what bagels were when I was a kid--smaller. I think it was Mimi Sheraton who wrote that there used to be a bagel-makers union and that the weight of the dough had to be 3 ounces. I mean, they're DENSE--why would you want them bigger than that? That's why Bagel Hole edges out Kossar's, although both are excellent.
Bagel Hole ships . . .
Bagel Hole ships . . .
ChefKK
February 28, 2021
OMG what a great article thank you! I am a Chef out here in the CA. desert, I cant find a bagel here unless drive into LA, now I will go to Orwashers on line and see if they will ship!
Sincerely Chef KK
Sincerely Chef KK
tastysweet
February 28, 2021
I didn’t see them on their website. If you see them please reply. Thanks.
mel
February 28, 2021
Move North from Huntington Beach but really miss Brueggers Bagels in Corona Del Mar. As close to Brooklyn as it comes.
MacGuffin
February 28, 2021
I've lived in NYC since 1974 and have yet to see bagels at Orwasher's. It's not that kind of bakery. Good baguettes, though.
jamcook
March 1, 2021
I lived across the street from H&H and you could see the bagels boiling in a big vat.
jamcook
March 1, 2021
The original Orwashers on the east side did not bake bagels. The West side store is much larger and makes the best bagels.
MacGuffin
March 1, 2021
By "the end," H&H's bagels were made off-site and baked in steam ovens to duplicate boiling.
strombolis
February 28, 2021
I now live ne as t Woodstock NY. Our weekend Bagel shop makes the best bagels I have ever had including having visited Montreal at the top bagel bakery.
Woodstock bagels such as everything has the toppings on both sides.
Woodstock bagels such as everything has the toppings on both sides.
strombolis
February 28, 2021
From 1965-1977 I was partners in a stainless steel fabrication facility in Port Washington LI and must have made the stainless outfits for 30 bagel stores in Long Island and Nj. Double boilers throw out tables and I can’t remember what else. [email protected]
Sourdogal
February 28, 2021
My brother taught me a couple of bagel-making tricks in the '90s, (twirl the doughball on my finger; use baking soda in the boiling water). In the late 80's, I lived across the street from H&H in NYC, so I know a good bagel. I was a baker in Alaska in the mid-90s, where I only tried big batches a couple of times. Now I use barley malt syrup in the water, (lye is simply too dangerous to mess with) and I get "everything" topping from Trader Joe's. I make pumpernickel, mixed whole grain and gluten-free bagels, but never raisin, as per your illustration. That is a breakfast pastry, not something to put your lox on.
MacGuffin
February 28, 2021
H&H steamed their bagels; they didn't boil them. And an enthusiastic 👍🏻 for using malt syrup.
Jess B.
February 28, 2021
How can I get in touch with Beth ?
I’m experimenting with using food grade lye for bagels and want some advice to make a home recipe with it .
I’m experimenting with using food grade lye for bagels and want some advice to make a home recipe with it .
Catherine R.
February 28, 2021
Love this article. It makes me want to open a bagel shop...and I live in Montreal! Congratulations to Beth and her great work.
MacGuffin
February 28, 2021
"Soaked" bagels. No boiling. PASS.
tastysweet
February 28, 2021
My daughter too lives in NYC. So when we visit, I bring Sadelle’s home.
I am too.
I am too.
Tiffany P.
February 27, 2021
Great article! Really enjoyed reading about how Beth found inspiration in her motherly desire to feed her son a food he missed dearly. Gives new meaning to “necessity is the mother of invention”! The simple bagel, loved and revered from whenever you first experience a “good” one...whether from NY or Montreal...and often the topic of debate when amongst friends or strangers. It’s resilience, complexity, depth, comfort, mystical qualities, ALL explored and dissected by Beth and her boundless, passionate curiosity!!! Thank you Beth. I dare say that bagels are indeed your superpower!
Maya22seven
February 22, 2021
Beth’s story is so inspiring. Who knew bagel consulting was even a thing but learning about Beth’s successes it clearly is and she’s the master!
You don’t help create that many award winning bagel stores without being an expert yourself and being able to adapt her advice and insights to support owners in any climate and operational set up to scale up shows she’s a true business leader.
I feel inspired to try my own hand at bagel baking! 🥯
You don’t help create that many award winning bagel stores without being an expert yourself and being able to adapt her advice and insights to support owners in any climate and operational set up to scale up shows she’s a true business leader.
I feel inspired to try my own hand at bagel baking! 🥯
Kandrmastercarpentry
February 20, 2021
Absolutely love this. Beth is an amazing person and has the absolute Best recipe for bagels, Her passion and love for this is absolutely astonishing.
Teague M.
February 20, 2021
Oh, what I would give for a toasted za’atar bagel right about now - what a fun article!
Tim
February 20, 2021
Teaching people how to do it themselves and own their process is a relief from the heavy-handed franchising world. Learning to "Be Your Own Boss" is empowering. Who knew a bagel could be so tranformational? Nicely written piece. Thanks.
JoesDiner
February 18, 2021
A nicely written interesting story. Lots of info & insights on bagels. One example: "What . . . makes [bagel] worthy of a consulting business with outreach all over the world? . . .maybe, it’s all about its thought-out structure. That hole, after all, serves a purpose: It allows the bagel to bake faster than other breads its size . . ." Deep, huh? There's more. Read the whole article; maybe even try its recipes. I might . . . after I first practice on pretzels . . . like so many, am just learning to cook since pandemic . . . it's fun!
Drewy
February 18, 2021
Great article!
I got to try a super secret product beth has been working on. It was amazing! Keep your eyes out 👀
I got to try a super secret product beth has been working on. It was amazing! Keep your eyes out 👀
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