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Camille
January 27, 2020
I am going to master the art of making bread at my age in life; doing pretty good at it so far. Last week I decided I wanted to make sourdough starter, I thought I messed up on first batch, got it too watery, I justed added more flour & I had bubbles on third day; it came alive. I also started a 2nd batch; a smaller one & it has bubbles also & beginning to smell like sourdough; so it is also alive. The first one is 4 days old & 2nd starter is 3 days old; so far, I am very pleased. I just have to find out how to measure it out for a recipe. Do you weigh it or just put it in a measuring cup?
jeanette
January 27, 2020
I have tried both to make the bread and use the weigh method now. For the starter I add a cup of filtered water at room temp and a cup of rye flower once a week and keep it in the fridge between feeds. The night befor bake day, I take it out ,give it a feed and leave it on the bench overnight. Good luck. Oh also I use Whip-poor-well Hollar recipe on yutube
jeanette
January 27, 2020
I am stll laughing while writing this comment.your post I'm sorry was so amusing. We can all relate to what you said I'm sure,but believe me it does get better with practice Good luck
jeanette
January 27, 2020
ps i use Whip-poor- well Hollar recipe on yutube love that lady so easy to follow
jeanette
jeanette
Megan E.
January 24, 2020
I was just searching because my Josey Baker starter was moldy today! It was my third feed and I was devastated. Gonna switch back to Bonnie Ohara‘a from Bread Baking for Beginners, as it never let me down (except that I fell off the wagon with feeding it and let it die. Oof).
FrugalCat
December 24, 2018
My teenage forays into homebrewing were like that. Not only did I have to go down to the basement numerous times a day to check on my fermenting cider, I had to hide the bottles from my parents. And after the cider was done, I had to drink it in secret, or smuggle it out of the house so my friends and I could get mildly drunk together.
margaret
March 28, 2017
I have had the same starter going for years in a glass jar in the fridge. Sometimes I have neglected it for months. The gray "hootch" was scary at first, but after reading it was harmless, I just started stirring it back in before doing my "pour off." Recently I started a Sunday ritual making sourdough pancakes or waffles with my "pour off" before doing the weekly feed and letting it rest at room temperature for a few hours before giving a final stir and stashing back in the fridge. Benign neglect = low maintenance.
Sophie H.
June 18, 2016
Sourdough is great therapy. I highly recommend it for anyone suffering a relationship break up or job loss or similar. All that thought consuming yet so deliciously productive planning, measuring, not to mention kneading by hand... A MUST in those circs!
Brooke A.
June 17, 2016
Remember when everyone acted like starting and maintaining a starter was the hardest thing that ever happened?
William
June 17, 2016
This article, (or at least the idea for it, as well as many of the details) seems plagiarized from a chapter in Jeffrey Steingarten's "the man who ate everything"
labingha
May 27, 2016
I know I'm late to this party, but my dad and I have been obsessing over sourdough starters since the NYT article came out. I'm lazy, have two small children, and live in the Bay Area. My starter "started" on the third day and has produced six beautiful loaves of bread. My father is a perfectionist, retired, and lives in Portland, OR. He has killed his starter three times.
The last time? Because he (eek) mixes his starter with his hands and forgot to wash the neosporin off the cut on his hands.
The last time? Because he (eek) mixes his starter with his hands and forgot to wash the neosporin off the cut on his hands.
Debbie B.
May 9, 2016
I obtained my starter from a friend, definitely much easier than creating your own. But I highly recommend Reinhart's recipe, you have to do it on the weekend but timing is not as critical as it may seem; you can definitely warm it up for two hours and you can ferment for 6 hours instead of 4. Once you have done it a couple of times, it seems pretty easy-it's like one operation per day.
davidpdx
May 7, 2016
I can appreciate your frustrations! I started baking sourdough a few years ago. But, I was more interested in actually baking the bread than in a kitchen science fair experiment. So I walked over to a popular Portland bakery and asked the counter person whether I could by a bit of starter. She called over the head baker, who was only too glad to give me a pint or so of starter, no charge. He was happy to help out a home baker, and since in a few weeks my starter would take on the "terroir" of yeasts around my house, he was not losing any proprietary ingredient. I began to feed the starter and in a few days made my first loaf. My starter lives happily in the fridge; gets used/fed every two weeks or so when I bake; and has gone for as much as four weeks without attention. Believe me, when I have my morning toast I don't miss any psychic rewards I may have gotten from starting my own starter!
achariya
May 6, 2016
I too just started baking sourdough bread and it consumed my life. I spent hours just trying to figure out the time table on when to start the process that will fit my schedule and have it for breakfast or dinner. I turned down social engagements because I wanted to come home to feed my yeast. I followed the Josey Baker's recipe and after the third try, I got it. You just have to keep trying!!!
Ana S.
May 5, 2016
How I understand you! I recently baked my first sourdough loaf (fairly successfully) after killing a few starters. I am so obsessed and so completely in love with fermentation these days, that Katz's books are poetry to me...
marcellatp
May 5, 2016
Not sure why we think our efforts should be bakery perfect on the first try. Do tennis players think their first serve attempt should be all aces all the time, or golfers every swing a hole in one? Yet bakers seem to feel every attempt should be perfectly, instagrammably amazing and the best tasting ever. It's a process and takes a while to develop a feel for the dough and notice the changes in the starter and later the dough at different stages. You've started and will do well to just keep going and gain some more experience. For me, it helped to intersperse bread trials with pancakes or biscuits or other more forgiving sourdough baked goods. Another thing that really made all the difference for me was Chad Robertson's methods - not that his are perfect for everyone, but we all have our own style if you will and finding the baker that matches you is what you need. Also, I hated the whole giant waste of ingredients thing and was so happy to find this blog post for keeping a much smaller amount of starter. No more cup (or more depending on the recipe) of discard. Yahoo! http://tartine-bread.blogspot.com/2011/08/sourdough-starter-demystified.html
Hope some of this helps.
Hope some of this helps.
Chuckanut
May 5, 2016
I think there are mold spores in your flour. Mold grows in my starter when I don't use supermarket flour. Also when my second attempt was slow to bubble my neighbor suggested adding a tiny pinch of yeast. That gave me the bubbles I was looking for. I also suffered flat loaves for a while. I was letting the first rise go on too long. I use the Tartine method.
RMS
May 5, 2016
Thanks for relating your totally relatable experience. Having finally decided to try sour dough bread baking, I found a simple way to get a great starter--after eating a lovely meal at a local restaurant (which serves amazing bread) I asked the waiter to ask the chef if she had any sourdough starter to share. Viola! A mason jar of starter appeared from the kitchen; after all, restaurants/bakeries have to discard, too. Have kept it going with daily feeding (when wanting to bake) and weekly feeding (when it's chillin in the fridge). Had the exact same experience with the King Arthur Rustic loaf recipe. So glad to learn it isn't just me! Looking for other recipes to try, so please post again if you find a good one!
EL
May 4, 2016
I'm not sure I can help. But maybe I can help with some of the angst that you are feeling with a sourdough story.
My family has a sourdough starter that we got from some neighbors about 45 years ago. The neighbors supposedly had it from their pioneer ancestors.
About 2 years ago I mentioned to my father that I had no starter. He immediately gave me some. So I took it home (from Salt Lake to Missoula, this sourdough travels) and never used it. And never used it. And. . .
About 1 year later, I had mentioned that I should get new starter to my father as I had not managed to do anything with the starter he gave me, but I got the flu while visiting and forgot to get replacement starter. About a month after that I got a call from my father saying that he baked his sourdough starter by mistake (actually it was another house member who had done this) and did I have starter that I could give to him. I told him that my starter had been in the fridge for over a year and that I doubted it was viable. But I am a microbiologist and decided to try anyway.
SO I OPENED THE JAR! There actually wasn't much mold. But there was a layer of brown on top (there wasn't any hooch, but after a year, did you really expect alcohol?) and it smelled dreadful (rather like rotten fish or at least very fishy). I looked it up online to see if that was a major problem and no, surprisingly, it wasn't. Other people had been there first. So first I tried a small spoonful (I wanted some left in case I needed to try again) and it didn't rise. Then I decided to go for broke. I used it all.
I also put it in my oven with the light on -- and it grew!! But it still smelled. It took at least 2 -- 3 refreshes before it began to smell normal. It may have gotten a new influx of bacteria and yeast from the flour I use though.
So now I have a living starter that works incredibly well for bread. I sent some to my father who (as it turns out) had been able to get some from a friend in town to whom he had given starter several years ago.
So that is the end. What can I tell you? Well, I feel that most of the fuss I've seen with starter is overkill. My own feeling about starter is "don't worry, be happy". I use my starter approximately every 1 -- 4 weeks now (I live alone and really can't afford (both in time and money) to make tons of bread, pancakes, crepes etc. So I use it when I need it and I rarely if ever use yeast. Sourdough is slower than yeast (which is why you see all those sourdough recipes that add yeast). When I want to make bread and my starter has been sitting for about 3 weeks (as happened just this week), I expect it to take a bit to get going (this time it took about 24 hours to get bubbly). But after that, everything's fine. I use Ken Forkish's overnight country brown recipe to make my basic bread (which is lemon flavored bread), but I expect almost any recipe will work if you are patient.
And here's and excellent URL if you haven't run across it already. They even offer free starter. http://www.sourdoughhome.com/index.php
On the website they tell you how to preserve sourdough by drying it (and King Arthur Flour tells you that as well).
I keep my starter pretty well hydrated (its a very liquid starter) and only use unbleached all purpose to maintain it. However I've used different flours to make bread and it works with all of those. I have found mold in my starter, but have taken what I need (from as far from the mold as possible. I then bleach the container (I like my starter jar).
Anyway, good luck and hopefully you'll stop worrying. . .
My family has a sourdough starter that we got from some neighbors about 45 years ago. The neighbors supposedly had it from their pioneer ancestors.
About 2 years ago I mentioned to my father that I had no starter. He immediately gave me some. So I took it home (from Salt Lake to Missoula, this sourdough travels) and never used it. And never used it. And. . .
About 1 year later, I had mentioned that I should get new starter to my father as I had not managed to do anything with the starter he gave me, but I got the flu while visiting and forgot to get replacement starter. About a month after that I got a call from my father saying that he baked his sourdough starter by mistake (actually it was another house member who had done this) and did I have starter that I could give to him. I told him that my starter had been in the fridge for over a year and that I doubted it was viable. But I am a microbiologist and decided to try anyway.
SO I OPENED THE JAR! There actually wasn't much mold. But there was a layer of brown on top (there wasn't any hooch, but after a year, did you really expect alcohol?) and it smelled dreadful (rather like rotten fish or at least very fishy). I looked it up online to see if that was a major problem and no, surprisingly, it wasn't. Other people had been there first. So first I tried a small spoonful (I wanted some left in case I needed to try again) and it didn't rise. Then I decided to go for broke. I used it all.
I also put it in my oven with the light on -- and it grew!! But it still smelled. It took at least 2 -- 3 refreshes before it began to smell normal. It may have gotten a new influx of bacteria and yeast from the flour I use though.
So now I have a living starter that works incredibly well for bread. I sent some to my father who (as it turns out) had been able to get some from a friend in town to whom he had given starter several years ago.
So that is the end. What can I tell you? Well, I feel that most of the fuss I've seen with starter is overkill. My own feeling about starter is "don't worry, be happy". I use my starter approximately every 1 -- 4 weeks now (I live alone and really can't afford (both in time and money) to make tons of bread, pancakes, crepes etc. So I use it when I need it and I rarely if ever use yeast. Sourdough is slower than yeast (which is why you see all those sourdough recipes that add yeast). When I want to make bread and my starter has been sitting for about 3 weeks (as happened just this week), I expect it to take a bit to get going (this time it took about 24 hours to get bubbly). But after that, everything's fine. I use Ken Forkish's overnight country brown recipe to make my basic bread (which is lemon flavored bread), but I expect almost any recipe will work if you are patient.
And here's and excellent URL if you haven't run across it already. They even offer free starter. http://www.sourdoughhome.com/index.php
On the website they tell you how to preserve sourdough by drying it (and King Arthur Flour tells you that as well).
I keep my starter pretty well hydrated (its a very liquid starter) and only use unbleached all purpose to maintain it. However I've used different flours to make bread and it works with all of those. I have found mold in my starter, but have taken what I need (from as far from the mold as possible. I then bleach the container (I like my starter jar).
Anyway, good luck and hopefully you'll stop worrying. . .
Elmer R.
September 4, 2020
Years ago I decided i wanted to try and bake some bread. I found a receipt for a sourdough and made up some. A day or two later I made some bread. It came out beautiful with a hard crust and soft interior. A few days later I came home to the refrigerator door open and it filled with dough. As I had made up several loves, I had one that was still good after siting out over two weeks. No mold on the hard crust and the interior soft and delicious. I ate the whole thing.
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