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Susan
February 28, 2021
Question: Do you know why it is that one can't seem to get that really sour flavor when using whole grains? I've been able to sort of approach a sense of sourness with rye, but even the whole grain bakery bought sourdoughs lack that intense sour flavor.
Maurizio L.
March 1, 2021
You can! In fact, using whole grains is one of the best ways to achieve a more sour flavor—in my experience. I'm working on a length post about this at my website, but it's going to take me a little longer to publish. I go into why whole grains help, how a cold proof can help, and how using a very ripe starter and levain can help. All factors that help go into a more sour loaf.
Liz S.
December 4, 2020
A Perfect Loaf's ciabatta and focaccia recipes are my go to recipes/technique (with personal modifications) for both types. But, I make rolls (sandwich size and hot dog buns) from the ciabatta recipe and I use the focaccia for pizza as well. Anyway, a Maurizio fan here! As far as tools, I am pretty minimalist: bowls (glass and stainless steel), silicone scraper, bench knife, silicone spatulas. I know it is likely on the order of blasphemy, but I do not get excited about temperature. I live in NW Montana with a year round cool kitchen (62-68F) and I pay attention to look and feel of dough. I like my results. I do however lust after a Grainmaker mill (made in Montana :) the big red mill in the photo) ... so far I have resisted, but gosh it is beautiful! I'd go for the smallest ... someday! I do have 2 "hot surface" tools: a Lodge cast iron "platter" (it is small, but I am a 1 person house) and an Emile Henry pizza stone. They both do well for me. I have a smallish (3 qt) Lodge enamel Dutch oven which I like. I tried a Lodge Cast iron DO and like the results from the enamel best. I also have an oblong clay baker which produces a "sandwich loaf" bread and crust can be crispier or softer depending on temp/time covered/uncovered. Flour ... YIKES, I am fussy about flour and use a Montana grown AP with the protein content of a bread flour for my "bread flour". I also stock some '00, spelt, whole rye, whole wheat ... and I like KAF "french style" and also their "soft flour", but the soft is more for biscuits/pie crust. I generally like to hand mix, but some shoulder injury led to more stand mixer use and I've adjusted method to get the results I like. Currently, I am making bagels (4-8 at a time) once a week ... no fussy tools or ingredients: mix in the evening, shape in the morning, boil and bake. I love them. Would they stand a NYorker's test ... ???? don't know: tools = bowl, scraper, bench knife, stand mixer, pot to boil them, sheet pan to bake (TheCleverCarrot's Artisan Sourdough Made Simple recipe/technique).
Liz S.
December 4, 2020
Oh ... brotform, etc. I have used bowls I have, "foil" bread baking things pulled into batard shape, etc., etc. I now have 2 brotforms that match my oblong baker and a mini batard.
Overall, I think I am a proponent of keep it simple, use what you have, adjust as you learn ... for your kitchen and your preferences.
Overall, I think I am a proponent of keep it simple, use what you have, adjust as you learn ... for your kitchen and your preferences.
Maurizio L.
December 5, 2020
I've been playing with making ciabatta style rolls for a while; they're great! It sounds like you have plenty of tools, and as you suggested, lots of tools really aren't necessary to make great bread. You really only need a few things to get going, but all the rest are "nice to have." I'm pretty strict about temperature control in my dough, but it's not mandatory, either; just go with the flow and adjust timing as necessary. Like I say in many of my posts, lots of things aren't necessary; attention and intention are really all you need 🙂
Smaug
December 4, 2020
For proofing doughs, I find the same equipment I use for starting seeds and cuttings very useful. Seedling heating mats (about $15) produce a steady, low level of heat; they can either have bowls set directly on them or use a tray with a plastic cover for a chamber. There are thermostatic controls available, but I've never invested. The equipment I use is from either Hydrafarm or Park Seeds, but there are others. The spatula looks like one of my favorites, which has a nearly rectangular head and straight sides, that was sold as a "jar scraper". I object to the characterization of breads as "vehicles for butter"; good bread does not in any way need it. I go through tons of butter baking, but I don't look for excuses to scarf it down by the spoonful.
Brinda A.
December 4, 2020
The butter-readiness was my add, Smaug—I believe strongly in the ways good butter can make good bread even better! To each their own.
Brinda A.
December 4, 2020
Also, I'm pretty much always looking for excuses to scarf butter down by the spoonful (growing up, I was very literally inspired by the antics of the mythological Lord Krishna—http://www.bhagavatam-katha.com/krishna-bala-lila-krishnas-pastimes-of-stealing-butter/). So I suppose to each their own in that way too!
Smaug
December 4, 2020
That's the second time in a few weeks that I've run across that- a pretty good ""Serious Eats" recipe for sourdough English muffins characterized them as "the best vehicle for butter". If people want to butter bread it's OK by me, and if they want to pile it on it doesn't hurt me any (though I find the general tendency to brag about how much butter one eats a little off putting), but characterizing bread as "a vehicle for butter" seems greatly disrespectful to the wonder that is bread (no, of course that wasn't meant as a pun, I'm not totally without conscience)
Smaug
December 5, 2020
Perhaps so- always reminds me of a line from a Howlin' Wolf song that (among other boasts) goes "I can eat more chicken than any man you've ever seen"- just really don't know what to make of that.
Maurizio L.
December 5, 2020
I'm with you; a good butter makes great bread even greater! Butter isn't 100% necessary with bread, of course, but why not 🙂
Smaug
December 5, 2020
Why not? Pointless to argue it on aesthetic grounds, of course, although it might be nice to keep in mind that we have a sense of taste more to help us feed ourselves properly than to persuade us into indiscretions. Butter is not very good for you, especially in large quantities, so that would be a pretty good reason to avoid overdoing it. Of course most of our modern breads fall a bit short on the whole "staff of life" thing too.
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