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How to Add Any Mix-In to Any Sourdough Recipe
Pep things up with nuts, seeds, dried fruit, and more—our Resident Bread Baker, Maurizio Leo, shows us the way.
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xquisite93
April 24, 2022
Hi,
After adding soaked seeds before the first stretch and folds, the dough came out a lot stickier after the bulk fermentation compared to before adding the soaked seeds. Total bulk fermentation time is 6 hours so I don't think the dough has been over-fermented. The dough has a total of 500g of bread flour and 300g of water. I soaked the seeds, which is 85g in weight, in 100g of water.
After mixing and autolyse, the dough wasn't sticky and had adequate extensibility. I am wondering if adding the soaked seeds somehow made the strength of the gluten network in the dough weaker and subsequently made the dough a lot stickier.
Should I lower the hydration of the base dough to compensate for the amount of water in the soaked seeds?
Should I lower the base dough's hydration? Or should I perform more stretch and folds to try to build up the strength of the dough after adding the soaked seeds?
After adding soaked seeds before the first stretch and folds, the dough came out a lot stickier after the bulk fermentation compared to before adding the soaked seeds. Total bulk fermentation time is 6 hours so I don't think the dough has been over-fermented. The dough has a total of 500g of bread flour and 300g of water. I soaked the seeds, which is 85g in weight, in 100g of water.
After mixing and autolyse, the dough wasn't sticky and had adequate extensibility. I am wondering if adding the soaked seeds somehow made the strength of the gluten network in the dough weaker and subsequently made the dough a lot stickier.
Should I lower the hydration of the base dough to compensate for the amount of water in the soaked seeds?
Should I lower the base dough's hydration? Or should I perform more stretch and folds to try to build up the strength of the dough after adding the soaked seeds?
Maurizio L.
April 26, 2022
I would reduce the hydration of the dough, essentially, remove the amount of water you add to the seeds to soak them from the total dough hydration.
Lozzaloaf
July 28, 2021
Hi,
I am trying to create a soy sourdough. Have used soy flour and soaked beans successfully but want more soy flavour. Would using a soy paste, approx 1/3 cup put in after starter and water have been mixed work?
Love your blogs.
I am trying to create a soy sourdough. Have used soy flour and soaked beans successfully but want more soy flavour. Would using a soy paste, approx 1/3 cup put in after starter and water have been mixed work?
Love your blogs.
Maurizio L.
July 29, 2021
Hey there! I've never baked with soy in dough, but I don't see why the paste won't work folded or mixed into the dough (as long as the paste doesn't have anything except pure soy—such as added salt).
Adrian N.
April 23, 2021
Using my well tried and tested 700g sour dough loaf, I adjusted the percentages to accommodate 100g of seeds (dry) which I then soaked in warm water for a few hours before adding the entire soaker to my dough during the first stretch and fold. I didn't subtract the additional water from my normal water content figuring it had all been absorbed and I had read seeds may need further hydration, the dough seemed its usual consistency during folding and shaping. I usually bulk in the fridge overnight but I ended up cooking it the following day due to work (is this relevant), it looked fine when it went in the oven in my dutch oven. Still achieved a reasonable spring but the bread seems to have a denser texture, less big air pockets, still lots of small, its not dry just denser, any thoughts?
Maurizio L.
April 23, 2021
It's likely denser just because of the added seeds, which will impact gluten development and the structure overall. It sounds like that's a lot of seeds to add, depending on what the total flour was (I'm assuming 700g is the divide weight), so that's my guess and what's going on there!
Adrian N.
April 23, 2021
Maybe I'll try adding less seeds on the next loaf, how much seeds would you recommend adding to what was a 700g flour content loaf.
Maurizio L.
April 23, 2021
It depends! I'd say, generally, I go for around 15% seeds to total flour weight.
Adrian N.
April 24, 2021
Thanks for the help.
The 100g of dry seeds was about 15%, should I make it 15% of soaker eg including water?
The 100g of dry seeds was about 15%, should I make it 15% of soaker eg including water?
Maurizio L.
April 24, 2021
15% dry seeds (soaked with water) in a loaf is typically what I do (that does not include the soaker water). You could try strengthening the dough a bit more before adding the seeds. I like to add them early on in bulk fermentation so there's not as much of an impact on the dough.
john
December 21, 2020
Thanks for this article!
When you mention keeping the sun-dried tomatoes and the olives at around 10%, is that 10% each or total? Also, are there general % guidelines for additions based on category?
When you mention keeping the sun-dried tomatoes and the olives at around 10%, is that 10% each or total? Also, are there general % guidelines for additions based on category?
Maurizio L.
December 21, 2020
Great question, John. It really depends on the mix-in itself. I like to start low and work my way up with any mix-in unless I'm familiar with how it'll impact the dough. I'd say 10% of each unless you're worried it's excessively wet or might cause adverse effects with fermentation (e.g. honey or sugar can impede fermentation).
Malerivera
October 20, 2020
Hi! Great information! Thanks, I was wondering about cheese- if I wanted to add cheddar cheese or any type of cheese what modifications would I need to make? Thanks in advance.
Maurizio L.
October 20, 2020
Hey there! If it's kept in a moderate percentage, I wouldn't say too many changes. Depending on the cheese, I'd likely grate it and then fold it in during bulk fermentation. Another option would be to dice it into small cubes if you wanted large pieces in the final loaf of bread.
Oaklandpat
August 24, 2020
Hi Maurizio....I very much appreciate your guidance. My most successful loaves to date have all come from you!
To clarify, regarding the addition of soaked seeds in your description above, are we then subtracting the weight of the soaker water from the total called for in the recipe?
To clarify, regarding the addition of soaked seeds in your description above, are we then subtracting the weight of the soaker water from the total called for in the recipe?
Maurizio L.
August 24, 2020
Glad to hear that! Yes, that's right: whatever water you use to soak the seeds should be subtracted from the total water in the recipe. Usually, with seeds, the weight of the water is at least equal to the weight of the seeds.
beadarose
July 10, 2021
Hi ~ Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. My question is ~ the water that the nuts were soaked in & the nuts get added during the bulk fermentation? Wouldn't that be to much water to be adding at that time??
This sure is a wonderful learning process.
This sure is a wonderful learning process.
FrugalCat
August 21, 2020
This may be less important with a dough, rather than a batter, but when adding mix-ins, toss them in a little flour first. This prevents them from all sinking to the bottom during baking.
Thalia C.
August 20, 2020
Great notes, Maurizio, and fun to see you here! I'm a geek for these details, and I appreciate the balance strived for.
CookingInColorado
August 19, 2020
I am baking two loaves of jalapeño cheddar sourdough right now! Thank for this article. Sun-dried tomato and kalamata olives sounds awesome.
Maurizio L.
August 20, 2020
That's a winning combo as well, something I've been playing with recently in rolls. Have fun!
Lawrie W.
October 24, 2020
Mind sharing the recipe for that jalapeño cheddar loaf, please? I am hoping to bake one today as a friend asked if I’d bake him one. But I was hesitant as to the amounts and when to add etc. Thanks
CookingInColorado
October 24, 2020
I use about 4 medium sized jalapeños sliced and about a cup of shredded cheddar. I use the fold and stretch method for developing the dough and add the jalapeños and cheddar in the fourth round (of six total) of stretching and folding.
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