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Betty
July 13, 2016
I was startled to find the name of Lauri Colwin mentioned in this article, even if only tangentially. I would consider her the antithesis of the Domestic Goddess! I have to confess that her book "Home Cooking" is one of my favorites to read, although I don't think I have ever cooked anything from it.
Katherine
July 10, 2016
As a person who spent years building her castles and aspiring and generally knocking myself out (literally), always yearning, somehow, to be the perfect woman I read this with a little sadness. I was one of the first boomers out. I was supposed to be a mom after little sojourns (maybe none) into teaching, nursing, or office work. My dad refused to pay for a college education so I could pursue my dream of being a psychologist because of just that. (Though my wonderful bro, who became truck driver cause he didn't care so much for the rat race, completed university.) So I became a nurse, had a child, followed my husband around to oil refineries, went to culinary school, and kept dabbling in education til I finally got my Psy.D. at age 51. I think that goddess thing was hanging over all our heads even during the women's movement -- but not the goddess of the hammock and slaves, but the "I can prove myself and have it all" goddess. So, I am sure I shortened my life working that one out! I am sorry to hear that's still an issue. But I want to say, now that I am retired (70 in October) I'm reverting to my cooking, writing poetry, and adult coloring book stage. And finding myself much less inclined to beautify myself these days -- no more nails, much less make-up, no more hair color, etc. And I am so content. If I can share any wisdom looking back, may I suggest that building castles is a necessary part of our lives. But we can't do it all at one time. Each stage was a fabulous opportunity for growth and exploration, and if I was asked what to cut out it would have to be none of it. So, women, work, struggle, grow, and enjoy fascinating lives. Forget the media images, unless that what interests you.
Karin B.
July 10, 2016
My Mother (1906 -2002) was a Domestic Goddess. She had no videos to guide her, no stylist to polish her or the food she put out. She had glowing skin and perfect muscle tone from hard work in a large garden. She had a feminine shape because she actually ate the food she created and she did it while two world wars were raging around her in Germany. I was raised on homemade goat cheese on beds of the earliest fresh herbs out of her hotbeds, on Gooseberry fool and apple pancake, etc. all ingredients except sugar produced by her.
She makes your Domestic Goddesses look like paper dolls.
She makes your Domestic Goddesses look like paper dolls.
Carol
July 10, 2016
I think that these "goddesses" work hard, But so do the many many people creating the image. Nigella, Martha, etc would be nobody without their assistants organizing, cleaning, setting up, putting on their makeup, fixing their hair and clothes, etc. This is why they can "multi-task", servants doing the scut work, something we don't have at home. And people who watch those videos and read those books forget this at their peril: the rich may work hard, but their servants work harder to make the rich look good and clever and capable. Servants are the secret sauce.
Kt4
July 10, 2016
Completely true! Why do so many keep forgetting the 'village' that actually keeps things running? (Rhetorical question ;))
Annabel
July 10, 2016
You hit the nail on the head. Yes, it is "all easy" when you have a staff to handle the time consuming, not-so-fun parts. I think at least part of the backlash against the Gwyneths and Marthas and others is because they gloss over this. It's a lie by omission that sells a false bill of goods.
Fredrik B.
July 8, 2016
Honestly, I hate the whole domestic goddess thing, precisely because it is so closely tied with appearance. It's a kind of sickly new-dainty: The food is dainty and beautiful, the cooking is dainty and beautiful (and utterly lacks dishes), the woman herself is dainty and beautiful despite the dainty and beautiful baked goods. They're going the "extra mile" with something as innocuous as cooking, eating or even existing and it's exhausting to even think about. But it's probably just another facet of celebrity: nowadays we want to witness every boring aspect of their lives and expect it to be just as dazzlingly glamorously flawless as the rest. It renders the lives of people (whose bodies are already productions) into further productions.
maria
July 7, 2016
Though I think this topic is fascinating and worthy, I find most of the examples here a little off track. Kim Kardashian and Chrissy Teigan? These are people selling things. Lifestyle brands (operative word) are highly orchestrated, staged, market researched, businesses. I think its best we view them just as we have learned to view advertising campaigns with models- we now know they are photoshopped and edited and not "real." The domestic goddess, however, is a real thing that I think is best understood as different people excelling at different skills. People who are put in this category just happen to be great at most things domestic. They truly do feel the most calm and composed in the kitchen and this can be a completely authentic feeling. When people are good at things and they love them, they often make it looks easy. It's no different than computer tech person fixing my computer in 5 minutes that I struggled to figure out for weeks, or a marksmen hitting a bullseye when I can't even figure out how to load the thing, etc. We all have our unique talents and we should appreciate them rather than assuming we should all be/look/do the same. I think the pressure that all women can or should want to be a "domestic goddess" is the problem.
Kt4
July 10, 2016
Here Here!! Especially your last line. With the addition that spouses/men look at these titled DG and expect the women in their lives to be able to achieve all that without the help of the rest of the household.
Alexandra V.
July 6, 2016
I liked this article. In my opinion domestic goddess is a good term, but I agree that much of what is popular comes off as synthetic. I keep it real, and I hope that is where the trend is going....but I am ok if I never have mass appeal, if someone enjoys my content then I know I sincerely shared a part of myself with them. I don't have to worry about trying to be something that I am not...which isn't necessarily marketable to most. Vanilla has more general appeal, but if you like tutti frutti you really dig it. P.S. to all the comments judging the woman in the article....stop it....we don't need to agree with everything they do, but each one deserves admiration for their successes. Domestic goddess ≠ perfect to me....because perfection is unattainable.
Kristen M.
July 7, 2016
"Vanilla has more general appeal, but if you like tutti frutti you really dig it." I really dig this.
Alexandra V.
July 7, 2016
I considered going with "spumoni" but I think I made the right choice! LOL. Thanks!
Jef
July 6, 2016
Kim Kardashian is a domestic goddess?????? If she fits this generations definition of domestic goddess there is no reason to wonder why we are where we are as a society.
Megan J.
July 6, 2016
Women bear so many burdens. For me, right now, with a toddler and a baby, my greatest joy, contribution to the world and my family is being their full time (overtime!) caretaker. I could imagine no greater work for myself, in this season. Raising a new generation: it's empowering, mega-challenging, and fulfilling.
AntoniaJames
July 6, 2016
There’s a lot going on in this piece . . .
Without putting too fine a point on it, I find “lifestyle” blogs and business empires and personal brands whose “re-narrativization requires active reinforcement in the public eye” to be in such poor taste.
As an antidote to the trends discussed in this piece, and to see the world in a different, more hopeful light, I heartily recommend David Brooks’s “The Road to Character.” ;o)
Without putting too fine a point on it, I find “lifestyle” blogs and business empires and personal brands whose “re-narrativization requires active reinforcement in the public eye” to be in such poor taste.
As an antidote to the trends discussed in this piece, and to see the world in a different, more hopeful light, I heartily recommend David Brooks’s “The Road to Character.” ;o)
snuffcurry
July 6, 2016
I find trying to re-direct a conversation about women towards a very inane and superficial man to be in poor taste.
M
July 6, 2016
There is a lot of food for thought here, and we SHOULD explore this world of the "domestic goddess." But there's a glaring oversight here: Though their professional output might look pristinely perfect, many of the these women ARE showing the wrinkles to their seemingly perfect lifestyles. They are routinely overcoming tabloid drama, public ridicule, personal struggles made bare for the media, and finding a way to overcome and live the life they want to lead.
In Teigen's case, she HAS expressed frustration and being burnt out -- especially since her choices about pregnancy and motherhood. As a model, she might look pristine and not seem frazzled, but she is quite open about the help she gets -- the woman who helped her plan her book, her mother who lives with her and helps her, her husband's help. Much of her image is based on how candid she is about her opinions and life.
And what makes Deb Perelman a domestic goddess? That she manages to cook and create a lot of great things while being a mom in a tiny kitchen? She's openly talked about how she isn't -- how she struggles to plan meals for her hungry children, how she fails to purge junk/food because she's too busy, or has great plans she fails to follow through with. In fact, her blog is based on close-up food pictures that feature minimal styling and lifestyle shots, unlike many of her contemporaries.
If she, or any of these women, are included because someone called them a domestic goddess, then we should investigate our responses and habits, not their triumphs.
In Teigen's case, she HAS expressed frustration and being burnt out -- especially since her choices about pregnancy and motherhood. As a model, she might look pristine and not seem frazzled, but she is quite open about the help she gets -- the woman who helped her plan her book, her mother who lives with her and helps her, her husband's help. Much of her image is based on how candid she is about her opinions and life.
And what makes Deb Perelman a domestic goddess? That she manages to cook and create a lot of great things while being a mom in a tiny kitchen? She's openly talked about how she isn't -- how she struggles to plan meals for her hungry children, how she fails to purge junk/food because she's too busy, or has great plans she fails to follow through with. In fact, her blog is based on close-up food pictures that feature minimal styling and lifestyle shots, unlike many of her contemporaries.
If she, or any of these women, are included because someone called them a domestic goddess, then we should investigate our responses and habits, not their triumphs.
Megan J.
July 6, 2016
Deb Perelman is the only woman mentioned in the article who I admire. She is contrary to the others, who rather than flaunting an unrealistic beauty/sexuality, is learning, along with us, at fostering beauty in this place of parenting/mothering!
Caroline L.
July 6, 2016
Hi M! Thanks so much for your comments—I really appreciate the points you raise, and I especially agree with your last one: that it's we who should be thoughtful about how we respond and think about women we're tempted to name "goddesses" rather than find fault with the "goddesses" themselves. And while it's true that the people mentioned in this article do indeed face a lot of public drama, I'd say that's the result of their celebrity (rather than their DG status—though they're tied to each other here). But I think their expression of frustration/showing of wrinkles and realness is hugely valuable, and emphasizes why the idealism that "Domestic Goddess" invokes is unrealistic.
As for Deb Perelman, whom I admire and whose blog I love, there's a case to be made for her goddessdom! Her candor is one of the things I like most about her writing, and one of the things that differentiates her from many bloggers, but she's still an aspirational figure—Smitten Kitchen is a food blog that launched a thousand food blogs. And she makes it look easy! (Even while she's open about that not necessarily being the case.)
As for Deb Perelman, whom I admire and whose blog I love, there's a case to be made for her goddessdom! Her candor is one of the things I like most about her writing, and one of the things that differentiates her from many bloggers, but she's still an aspirational figure—Smitten Kitchen is a food blog that launched a thousand food blogs. And she makes it look easy! (Even while she's open about that not necessarily being the case.)
M
July 6, 2016
Cl - thanks for responding!
The fact that we are splitting hairs over what constitutes applicable drama in the world of Domestic Goddesses speaks to how easily this conversation devolves from questioning the act of forming "perfection" lifestyle brands, and into a discussion of rigid barriers the audience applies. Drama is drama, whether it is the result of celebrity or other life struggles. What amount and kind of drama/struggle must these women experience and share to be real and not perpetuating false perfection?
Your case for Perelman being a Domestic Goddess is even though she is open about difficulties, she is an aspirational and influential woman who "makes it look easy." If Perelman's non-stylized approach and honest candor does not differentiate her, what woman in the food and lifestyle world can win?
This is a dangerous rationale, because it uses a woman's skill and influence against her.
The fact that we are splitting hairs over what constitutes applicable drama in the world of Domestic Goddesses speaks to how easily this conversation devolves from questioning the act of forming "perfection" lifestyle brands, and into a discussion of rigid barriers the audience applies. Drama is drama, whether it is the result of celebrity or other life struggles. What amount and kind of drama/struggle must these women experience and share to be real and not perpetuating false perfection?
Your case for Perelman being a Domestic Goddess is even though she is open about difficulties, she is an aspirational and influential woman who "makes it look easy." If Perelman's non-stylized approach and honest candor does not differentiate her, what woman in the food and lifestyle world can win?
This is a dangerous rationale, because it uses a woman's skill and influence against her.
J H.
July 10, 2016
I don’t have a daughter, but if I did, I would NOT wish for her to be part of the Media Circus that requires girls and women to buy into the need to be super sexy in order to “sell” what ever product or personal brand they aspire to promote. Lucky me, my brains were enough to provide a grand life and exceptional financial rewards.
Yes, I agree that all of us, at any age, should be proud of being a woman, and hopefully feel really good about our bodies, enjoying dressing as we desire for any event that we attend, or aspire to attend. Some of us, even at my age (almost 70) will want a short hem line, tight fitted bodice, and if we can still wear them, highest heels.
But if the “sexy stuff” must always come before or with, the “brainy stuff,” then our market must be assumed to be motivated first and mostly by “sex.” I get that is how a great portion of the Media works. To me, it continues to feel very exploitive. Do we really want to say to our daughters and grand daughters, you must first be beautiful, and then exploit your beauty by being very sexual, and then, if you are lucky, someone might notice that you are really well educated, accomplished, worth their attention?
Of course beautiful women will always be able to exploit their beauty, make their beauty into a brand, a business. That fact does not compel me to suggest to my very young women friends that they should either devalue themselves because they lack the appropriate “beauty”, or more importantly, fail to acknowledge and exploit their own “brainy” brand. Money is not the only gauge of success. Do you remember Temple Grandin? No “beauty” (as defined in this article) there, only lots of brains, and a great contribution to our world.
I guess every generation gets to decide who the DG’s in their era will be. I know I have always aspired to be one, along with aspiring to be the best Executive I could be. The latter paid the bills. The former got me applause at my dinner table. I am so happy for the money, and the “praise at the table” keeps me inspired to continue to strive to DG status, even at my age. However, I am on the page of Deb, who I love, not Kardashian.
Yes, I agree that all of us, at any age, should be proud of being a woman, and hopefully feel really good about our bodies, enjoying dressing as we desire for any event that we attend, or aspire to attend. Some of us, even at my age (almost 70) will want a short hem line, tight fitted bodice, and if we can still wear them, highest heels.
But if the “sexy stuff” must always come before or with, the “brainy stuff,” then our market must be assumed to be motivated first and mostly by “sex.” I get that is how a great portion of the Media works. To me, it continues to feel very exploitive. Do we really want to say to our daughters and grand daughters, you must first be beautiful, and then exploit your beauty by being very sexual, and then, if you are lucky, someone might notice that you are really well educated, accomplished, worth their attention?
Of course beautiful women will always be able to exploit their beauty, make their beauty into a brand, a business. That fact does not compel me to suggest to my very young women friends that they should either devalue themselves because they lack the appropriate “beauty”, or more importantly, fail to acknowledge and exploit their own “brainy” brand. Money is not the only gauge of success. Do you remember Temple Grandin? No “beauty” (as defined in this article) there, only lots of brains, and a great contribution to our world.
I guess every generation gets to decide who the DG’s in their era will be. I know I have always aspired to be one, along with aspiring to be the best Executive I could be. The latter paid the bills. The former got me applause at my dinner table. I am so happy for the money, and the “praise at the table” keeps me inspired to continue to strive to DG status, even at my age. However, I am on the page of Deb, who I love, not Kardashian.
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