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Mimiswanson
March 31, 2017
i want to make this chickpea meal. however, do i heat all the ingredients up in a sauce pan first. recipe isn't clear on this. and serve room temp or heated? thanks.
Ellen D.
March 31, 2017
I made this last week, served it with shredded lettuce, chunky tomato salsa and sour cream. Incredible meal!
Nandita I.
March 26, 2017
My favourite flavours with chickpeas are cumin / zataar / Indian chaat masala with its complex smoky tangy flavour profile / smoked paprika
Sena
March 26, 2017
For my vegan peeps and people who want to eat plant-based, it is disheartening to see animal secretions (e.g., dairy, eggs) in recipes that could and should so easily be plant-exclusive. For those who are still learning how to adapt recipes, there are pre-made plant-based cheeses, including shredded and creamed cheeses. There are also great recipes and entire cookbooks dedicated to making plant-based cheeses. We now have the VeganEgg from Follow Your Heart and The Vegg. Here is a page dedicated to how to bind veggie burgers without using eggs. http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/tricks-for-making-veggie-burgers-that-wont-fall-apart/ "If we could live happy and healthy lives without harming others, why wouldn't we?" Edgar's Mission.
Elizabeth P.
March 26, 2017
"Animal secretions?" Seriously? While your suggestions for alternatives to eggs and milk are welcome, your attitude is not only unjustified and not scientific but it will only drive people away from what could be a way to coax people into a more plant based diet.
Sena
March 26, 2017
What about my comment is not scientific? Dairy and eggs are animal secretions. I am also unclear what you mean by my attitude. Vegans do find it disheartening to see animals used in recipes where it is not needed. I gave suggestions on how to make these recipes without using animals. How is that not justified? There are a lot of vegan and plant-based followers of Food52. If we don't speak up, then no one else will.
Bill
March 26, 2017
The "animal secretions" reference is just silly (even if "scientific"), but the "without harming others" is more troubling. How does eating an unfertilized egg (or a fertilized one, for that matter) "harm" anyone or anything? And what "harm" comes from milking a cow? I have nothing against veganism and have even practiced it in the past, but only for health reasons. I agree with Elizabeth that directing some sort of vague shame at consumers of eggs and dairy is not a good strategy for encouraging a plant-based diet.
Gráinne O.
March 26, 2017
A vegan diet is healthier for sure, but for me, it's all about the animals. I was vegetarian for many years thinking I was causing no harm to animals by eating dairy and eggs. I thought since I only bought organic and free range, the animals were well treated. Then Iearned that the males in both industries are killed as waste products. Newborn calves are taken from their distraught mamas. The girls are put in solitary confinement for a few months until they are move to the main herd. The boys are killed at 1-3 weeks (for bob veal), 3-5 months (as regular veal), or 18 months (for beef). The mothers are killed at about 5 years of age when their productivity drops. Cattle have a natural lifespan of 20-25 years.
Day old chicks are sexed. Females are thrown into buckets to be sent to farms, while males are thrown into macerators to be ground alive. Laying hens are killed at about 2 years of age when they are spent (i.e. their little bodies give up from being overbred and living in horrific conditions). The natural lifespan of a chicken is 8 years.
Day old chicks are sexed. Females are thrown into buckets to be sent to farms, while males are thrown into macerators to be ground alive. Laying hens are killed at about 2 years of age when they are spent (i.e. their little bodies give up from being overbred and living in horrific conditions). The natural lifespan of a chicken is 8 years.
Bill
March 26, 2017
I can't disagree, Grainne. We don't eat beef, and we eat pork and chicken only selectively -- usually from local farmers whom we know. Likewise with eggs. It's complicated, because meat, eggs and cheese were part of many healthy traditional diets, although they were usually used sparingly. Animals were properly cared for on traditional subsistance farms, and nothing was wasted. It was only when man became divorced from the land that the brutal and wasteful practices of factory farming became prevalent. I don't want to be a part of that, but not everyone has access to local farms or can pay the premium prices that are sometimes charged by small farmers.
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March 26, 2017
Elizabeth, it's a very difficult thing to do...looking in the mirror only to see that you're supporting an industry that is very violent and cruel. I commend commenters like Sena speaking up against animal cruelty, and helping others see what they are supporting by financing animal agriculture. I always thought of myself as an animal lover, being a vegetarian for 20-something years. But thanks to people like Sena, I realized my actions didn't quite line up with my values. I hated my mirror 5 years ago, it was an ugly truth that I didn't want to see.
Sena
March 26, 2017
Hi Bill, My intention was not to shame anyone. I was just frustrated by seeing these recipes that should have been plant based. Until 5 years ago, I was a vegetarian for decades. I had heard horror stories about the dairy and egg industries, but I didn't believe it because I just couldn't fathom that humans were capable of doing what I was hearing. Then, 5 years ago, I visited a local dairy farm and spoke with Organic Valley, and both confirmed the connection between the veal and beef industries and the dairy industry. I then learned about how male baby chicks are destroyed and about how the hens are bred to lay hundreds of eggs annually, when a chicken's body in nature years ago only produced 12 eggs a year like human women. At a local sanctuary, I have seen hen after hen die after her tired and nutrient-depleted body can no longer sustain life. My heart is broken, and I have faith in humanity that if we know the truth, we will act accordingly. The dairy and egg industries are systems of exploiting the bodies of cows and eggs, and their impact is pervasive, even to small, family farms and backyard hens. When a being is commodified, harm cannot ultimately be avoided. When we take the perspective of the animal, we realize that they want to be free to live their lives with autonomy. You sound like a caring person. Perhaps you are like me and need to learn about it first hand to believe it. I recommend the site, freefromharm.org to learn more. I also recommend the book Farm to Fable, by Robert Grillo. I come in peace, but I also come with great sadness and great hope.
Bill
March 26, 2017
Thank you for your measured response, Sena. And I honor your obviously heartfelt concern for factory farm animals, almost all of whom live short and absolutely miserable lives. I could survive without meat (and have, for long periods of time), but eggs and milk are natural animal by-products -- at least in an ideal world. And from a nutritional standpoint, I'm not convinced that eggs, cheese, butter and even meat and fish in measured amounts, are detrimental to ones health. The problem is not so much nutritional (at least not to the extent of chemicals, preservatives, excess sugar and other horrible junk which goes into processed and fast foods), but rather societal, cultural and even philosophical. People want cheap food, and agribusiness is happy to accommodate them. In a healthy, traditional society, domestic animals are valued. They may be used, but they are used consciously and carefully, and not commodified. But for most "first world" people today, especially those who live in cities, there are no real connections with any food sources -- even fruits and vegetables. I don't have a solution for this, except to make a personal commitment to become more conscious of what I'm eating and how it was raised or grown. And I will check out the book -- it appears to be well worth reading. .
David T.
March 27, 2017
Thanks for pointing this out, Sena.
I ate meat, dairy and eggs for many years without even thinking about what I was doing. I was raised that way, and everyone I knew ate that way, so it seemed normal, natural and even necessary for me to do it.
It was only when I met my girlfriend, who was vegetarian at the time, that I even thought about my food choices. I gradually stopped eating meat. She then learned the truth about dairy and eggs, and so became vegan*. I then became an at-home vegan (because I was too lazy to cook or shop for myself) but it took a little longer for me to accept the truth that eating cheese was barely any different to eating beef. I finally got it, and now we run a vegan café! I love showing people that there is another way to live. And people are really receptive!
It is because of tireless people like you, Sena, that I became vegan. It is difficult and thankless, but your work is appreciated. And you are creating change. Well done!
*She already only bought cruelty-free cosmetics and household products, and never wore animal skin/fur/wool, and never payed for animals as entertainment
I ate meat, dairy and eggs for many years without even thinking about what I was doing. I was raised that way, and everyone I knew ate that way, so it seemed normal, natural and even necessary for me to do it.
It was only when I met my girlfriend, who was vegetarian at the time, that I even thought about my food choices. I gradually stopped eating meat. She then learned the truth about dairy and eggs, and so became vegan*. I then became an at-home vegan (because I was too lazy to cook or shop for myself) but it took a little longer for me to accept the truth that eating cheese was barely any different to eating beef. I finally got it, and now we run a vegan café! I love showing people that there is another way to live. And people are really receptive!
It is because of tireless people like you, Sena, that I became vegan. It is difficult and thankless, but your work is appreciated. And you are creating change. Well done!
*She already only bought cruelty-free cosmetics and household products, and never wore animal skin/fur/wool, and never payed for animals as entertainment
Gráinne O.
March 27, 2017
Thanks for reading, Bill. The vast majority are not like you - they don't care that they are eating or using animals who have been horrifically treated. Some people cannot afford to pay more, but most people can but choose not to. Those who can't, could choose to skip animal products, since a vegan diet is cheaper, but they choose to support animal torture. It's sad, but until veganism is more mainstream, people will choose taste over compassion. They are the people we really want to reach. In an ideal world, everyone would be vegan, but if everyone was conscious of what they were eating, as you are, we would be a lot better off!
Sena
March 27, 2017
Wow! Your story sounds so much like that of mine and my husband's. Thank you for sharing your story, and thank you for your kindness.
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