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Linda K.
November 20, 2021
My grandmother made mincemeat pies with real minced meat (she preferred venison). I never knew anything else until I was a grown woman. She also had everyone save and bring her the odd bits of jams and jellies left in the jar. Then she spiced it up. I know there was also brandy. We ALWAYS served it with hard sauce (brandy and powdered sugar beaten together until "hard"). I never got her recipe, but I make mince pies with fruit.
Katherine K.
November 22, 2021
This is fascinating! I've never thought to do a very spiced / sweet venison pie before, but that sounds delicious - and the image of her collecting odd bits of jam is so delightful! Also, I always thought that Hard Sauce was called "hard" because it had "hard" liquor in it, not because of the texture, but that also makes perfect sense! I LOVE everything hard sauce / brandy butter related. One of the best additions to any pudding in my opinion.
I hope you have a very happy and delicious Holidays!
I hope you have a very happy and delicious Holidays!
Alex S.
May 22, 2020
hi katherine I'm doing a research on this topic and we need to interview some people know it quite well, was wondering if you have time for a 10 min interview online, would be very much appreciate it!
Katherine K.
May 22, 2020
Sure. I'm happy to chat. Could you DM me on instagram, and I'll send you my email? I'm katherinemaryknowles on insta.
Alma S.
December 27, 2018
My father has always loved mincemeat pies (with actual meat!) and I am always on the lookout for a great recipe and have yet to find one. If that was all he ever got for Christmas he's a happy guy!
Katherine K.
December 28, 2018
I love that!
If you want a recipe for meat mincemeat, the one that I tried while researching this article was the Mrs Beeton, https://britishfoodhistory.com/2011/12/03/traditional-mincemeat/.
It tasted pretty good, I thought!
If you want a recipe for meat mincemeat, the one that I tried while researching this article was the Mrs Beeton, https://britishfoodhistory.com/2011/12/03/traditional-mincemeat/.
It tasted pretty good, I thought!
Cindy W.
December 20, 2018
I had not heard of these origins. In America, few Westerners have heard of mincemeat. I thought it was Southern in origin dating to the Civil War. Glad to know I can share that it is British.
Katherine K.
December 21, 2018
Happy to help! Though mince pies have quite a strong tradition in America too. I read a lovely article from the Pilgrim Hall Museum that mentions mince pies being baked for Thanksgiving! http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/pdf/Thanksgiving_and_New_England_Pie.pdf
McChef
December 27, 2018
After reading the comments I am confused... what are the real ingredients in "mincemeat" pies ?? Other readers are referring to boiled hamburger etc... my mom made mincemeat pies every year for the past 40 yrs during the holidays and a vanilla sauce to pour over it...BUTTT, it was the Mincemeat filling in the jar not boiled hamburger ! I am curious now to learn the true ingredients in mincemeat pie, please share !!
Katherine K.
December 28, 2018
Modern mince pies are made with mincemeat, all one word! which is a combination of dried fruits, spices and either suet (fat from around the kidneys) or vegetarian suet. But up to the 1920s, if someone offered you a mince pie, it would include actual minced up meat, as well as the fruits and spices. I don't know how that would have tasted with vanilla sauce, though?!!
McChef
December 28, 2018
SMH...I was hoping for an educated reply that actually explained the [difference] between the "old school" (circa 1920) "mince pie" filling and the post 1920 era "Mincemeat" pie filling. This reply did not help at all ! PS... The vanilla sauce was for the [post] 1920 "mincemeat] pies which have a more of a fruity flavored filling that comes in a jar or a box, made by the companies, None Such & Cromwell... I still would like to know the [difference] between the old school ingredients & the current jarred or boxed ingredients ! Do you have links to thr recipes for each ??
McChef
December 28, 2018
I noticed that my reply (5 min ago) to your reply above was deleted, I did some further research though and found this snipit of info which is what I was seeking, it is my understanding that "food editors" were here to HELP bloggers not to delete their comments & replys... I found the info I needed elsewhere...Mince pies have a misleading name. (There, I said it.) For those unfamiliar with the classic British Christmas dessert, they're little fabled tartlets the size of peanut butter cups, commonly filled with raisins, sultanas, cranberries, and other dried fruits, all macerated and cooked in heavily-spiced brandy or port. As their name suggests, mince pies traditionally did at one point have minced beef or lamb mixed in with the dried fruits. Some versions even used suet (beef fat) or lard to bind the filling together. Thankfully, most modern iterations of mincemeat—the filling of mince pies—have done away with the “meat” part, opting instead for the agreeable boozy dried fruit filling that’s ubiquitous in England, especially around the holidays.
While mince pies aren’t all that common in the U.S., they're a non-negotiable festive tradition in the U.K., like watching the Queen’s Christmas message on the telly. For me at least, they come to mind when British food writers like Nigel Slater and Nigella Lawson wax lyrical about them, or in random movie cameos, like that scene in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince when Ginny awkwardly feeds Harry a mince pie.
While mince pies aren’t all that common in the U.S., they're a non-negotiable festive tradition in the U.K., like watching the Queen’s Christmas message on the telly. For me at least, they come to mind when British food writers like Nigel Slater and Nigella Lawson wax lyrical about them, or in random movie cameos, like that scene in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince when Ginny awkwardly feeds Harry a mince pie.
Mark
December 20, 2018
I know that the netflix (here in Australia) show Lords and ladles had an episode where they made a mince pie, and a very interesting potato pie.
My great grand mother always made hers with suet with her own made candied peels, she was never one to write her recipes, was always a pinch and dash by memory cook. Something I have missed for many years.
Thank you for this amazing stroll through food history!
My great grand mother always made hers with suet with her own made candied peels, she was never one to write her recipes, was always a pinch and dash by memory cook. Something I have missed for many years.
Thank you for this amazing stroll through food history!
Katherine K.
December 20, 2018
I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
My Grandma was a pinch and dash cook too, so I totally get it. I wish I'd written down more of my Grandma's recipes, though I did take a bit of video near the end of her life of her talking about food - what she ate at her wedding, the first meal she cooked when she was married - that sort of thing. I'm still a bit too sad to watch it, but I'm happy I have it.
I've never hear of the show Lords and Ladles, but it's a genius title, and I'll have to check it out!
My Grandma was a pinch and dash cook too, so I totally get it. I wish I'd written down more of my Grandma's recipes, though I did take a bit of video near the end of her life of her talking about food - what she ate at her wedding, the first meal she cooked when she was married - that sort of thing. I'm still a bit too sad to watch it, but I'm happy I have it.
I've never hear of the show Lords and Ladles, but it's a genius title, and I'll have to check it out!
porsha
December 20, 2018
My French Canadian grandmother made mincemeat pies every year and as her children grew up and spread across the country she would begin preparing the mincemeat filling in September so it could be mailed out to everyone who was far from home.
To the day she died her mincemeat always included boiled ground beef (a more disgusting way to prepare ground beef I do not know) and suet, as well as all the candied fruits and raisins.
This was a very interesting read, thank you!
To the day she died her mincemeat always included boiled ground beef (a more disgusting way to prepare ground beef I do not know) and suet, as well as all the candied fruits and raisins.
This was a very interesting read, thank you!
Katherine K.
December 20, 2018
I love that she sent it to people! My Gandma once sent me a Fly Pie, which is basically mincemeat rolled into pastry as a disk and baked, and when it got to be it was a box of crumbs. Just sending the mince meat sounds better - regardless of whether there's actual meat in it or not!
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